How to right tiped vehicles

[T/Sgt. Treadway [18th]]

cant get them to be vertical again

[Damien]

You need to reset the vehicle, maybe at the garage, careful tho it is known that resetting takes all your gas out of the vehicle. Actually just open the map, find the tractor, click on it and you get some options, gas still empties tho.

[Aesyle]

Depends which equipment you flipped (how heavy it is). In most cases, you can use front loader or tractor with front loader to help the flipped equipment back to the upright position.

[Oceansize]

Open map.
Click on the colored dot that represents the tipped vehicle.
Click on Reset.
Your vehicle will reappear at the shop, minus most of it's fuel.

[Aesyle]

Loosing fuel isn't the only thing. You'll also loose the money what that lost fuel was worth. Bigger the fuel tank - more money lost. Also, more money needed to refill it again.

E.g if i reset my Mahindra Retriever 1000, i'll loose €25 as fuel costs, most of the fuel that was in it and it costs me €38 to fill it's fuel tank again (34L tank). Total loss is €63.
2nd example as well: i reset my Case IH 7250. While it didn't have full tank, more like 3/4, i lost about €383 as fuel costs + most of the fuel as well. Refill price was around €500 (445L tank). Total loss, €860+.

This is the known bug and next hotfix/update should fix it.

[Oceansize]

Originally posted by Aesyle:

Loosing fuel isn't the only thing. You'll also loose the money what that lost fuel was worth. Bigger the fuel tank - more money lost. Also, more money needed to refill it again.

E.g if i reset my Mahindra Retriever 1000, i'll loose €25 as fuel costs, most of the fuel that was in it and it costs me €38 to fill it's fuel tank again (34L tank). Total loss is €63.
2nd example as well: i reset my Case IH 7250. While it didn't have full tank, more like 3/4, i lost about €383 as fuel costs + most of the fuel as well. Refill price was around €500 (445L tank). Total loss, €860+.

This is the known bug and next hotfix/update should fix it.

The money you spent on the fuel that was removed during the reset is lost. But the money you spent refueling afterwards is not lost, because that fuel is still in your vehicle and you will get value from it.

[Knottypine]

Originally posted by Oceansize:

The money you spent on the fuel that was removed during the reset is lost. But the money you spent refueling afterwards is not lost, because that fuel is still in your vehicle and you will get value from it.

That's correct... they're counting the loss twice for some reason.

[Aesyle]

Originally posted by Oceansize:

The money you spent on the fuel that was removed during the reset is lost. But the money you spent refueling afterwards is not lost, because that fuel is still in your vehicle and you will get value from it.

Make a small experiment. Lease any vehicle (e.g Retriever 1000). You'll get it with full fuel tank (€0 cost on fuel). Reset it and look if you still have same amount of money you had prior to reset. You will loose €25 for fuel costs + the fuel as well. Like said above, loss is counted twice.

[Oceansize]

Originally posted by Knottypine:

Originally posted by Oceansize:

The money you spent on the fuel that was removed during the reset is lost. But the money you spent refueling afterwards is not lost, because that fuel is still in your vehicle and you will get value from it.

That's correct... they're counting the loss twice for some reason.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding Aesyle, When I reset, I did not notice my bank balance going down, only my fuel level went down. So I lost money in the form of lost fuel. The extra money I spent replacing that fuel is not lost, it's now in my gas tank. So there is no counting any loss twice.

So unless you guys are saying that resetting removes not just fuel from your vehicle but money from your wallet, then I don't see any double counting going on.

[Oceansize]

Originally posted by Aesyle:

Originally posted by Oceansize:

The money you spent on the fuel that was removed during the reset is lost. But the money you spent refueling afterwards is not lost, because that fuel is still in your vehicle and you will get value from it.

Make a small experiment. Lease any vehicle (e.g Retriever 1000). You'll get it with full fuel tank (€0 cost on fuel). Reset it and look if you still have same amount of money you had prior to reset. You will loose €25 for fuel costs + the fuel as well. Like said above, loss is counted twice.

Yeah I never noticed my bank balance go down during a reset. I will look closer next time.

[Aesyle]

Originally posted by Oceansize:

Yeah I never noticed my bank balance go down during a reset. I will look closer next time.

Do check it closer.

While i don't mind loosing most of the fuel, what i do mind is getting charged for the fuel that was in the vehicle prior to the reset.

Either it would be fixed as where you don't loose any money for reset and only fuel (which is a bit tedious to refill vehicle after each reset)
OR
"shipping fee" to the store based on the value of that item. E.g reset item who's value is 100+K (e.g harvester) and you'll need to pay 5K. If the item value would be 50+K, reset cost would be 2.5K, etc. <- this "shipping fee" based on item value would lower the reset ability abuse quite a bit.

[Oceansize]

I'm completely OK with the lost fuel, it serves as a good deterrent to cheating (plus the gas station is right next to the store so refueling isn't inconvenient), but losing money too? Not OK

[ancienthighway]

Originally posted by Matt:

cant get them to be vertical again

Many times you can just maneuver a tipped tractor around until it rights itself. I've done this a few times with light and medium tractors. Pushing a tractor down a steep enough hill may right it also, but I haven't tried this.
When all else fails reset, although it may be cheaper to sell it on the spot and buy another.

[Knottypine]

Originally posted by Aesyle:

Make a small experiment. Lease any vehicle (e.g Retriever 1000). You'll get it with full fuel tank (€0 cost on fuel). Reset it and look if you still have same amount of money you had prior to reset. You will loose €25 for fuel costs + the fuel as well. Like said above, loss is counted twice.

Nope. Let's try another experiment shall we?

You buy a brand NEW Mahindra. As a courtesy, you get a full tank of fuel. This fuel cost you NOTHING. It was free with the purchase of the vehicle.

Let's say you have $20,000
Mahindra cost you $17,000

You got $3,000 to your name. You've only spent money on the vehicle and received a free tank of gas. Awesome. So you flip it in the lake and reset the vehicle once. Your tank is near empty and it costs you $50. You NOW have a balance of $2,950.... and wait for it... a full tank of fuel. You're out a total of $50.

Let's use your method of losing the fuel in your tank AS WELL AS the cost of replacement. Same scenario... except let's pretend that the vehicle cost $17,050 ($50 for fuel cost). Fair enough. You have a balance of $2,950. You reset the vehicle once, you lost that initial $50 of fuel when you reset that you actually paid for (if you reset with a full tank) PLUS you now lose the $50 replacement cost. NOW you're out double, and your current balance is $2,900. But let's say you're crazy.... you flipped your vehicle again. D'oh. What happens? You reset, vehicle is outta fuel, you run to the gas stop and drop in $50 to replace the lost fuel. (running balance $2,850) As you're leaving the gas station, you pull out without looking and a semi slams your Retriever into a pond. Again, you're upside down... You look in your wallet and find that you have $2,850 still. You reset, drive to the pumps and throw down another $50. You're sitting there with a full tank counting your dough, and find you're sitting on 2,800 beans.

Each time you reset, you are only out the replacement cost of the fuel, one time. The fuel that WAS in your tank was already paid for LAST time you reset. One reset, one fuel cost. (Unless you consider the fuel upon purchase to come out of your pocket, that's the only excpetion)

LOL sorry this is so off topic! I'm just trying to figure out why you would count your losses twice for every reset.

Originally posted by Aesyle:

You will lose €25 for fuel costs

Ah, I stand corrected. NOW I see what you're talking about. I thought you meant the fuel you lost from your tank, not an actual fuel cost deduction from your wallet.

[Aesyle]

Originally posted by Knottypine:

Nope. Let's try another experiment shall we?

You buy a brand NEW Mahindra. As a courtesy, you get a full tank of fuel. This fuel cost you NOTHING. It was free with the purchase of the vehicle.

Let's say you have $20,000
Mahindra cost you $17,000

You got $3,000 to your name. You've only spent money on the vehicle and received a free tank of gas. Awesome. So you flip it in the lake and reset the vehicle once. Your tank is near empty and it costs you $50. You NOW have a balance of $2,950.... and wait for it... a full tank of fuel. You're out a total of $50.

Let's use your method of losing the fuel in your tank AS WELL AS the cost of replacement. Same scenario... except let's pretend that the vehicle cost $17,050 ($50 for fuel cost). Fair enough. You have a balance of $2,950. You reset the vehicle once, you lost that initial $50 of fuel when you reset that you actually paid for (if you reset with a full tank) PLUS you now lose the $50 replacement cost. NOW you're out double, and your current balance is $2,900. But let's say you're crazy.... you flipped your vehicle again. D'oh. What happens? You reset, vehicle is outta fuel, you run to the gas stop and drop in $50 to replace the lost fuel. (running balance $2,850) As you're leaving the gas station, you pull out without looking and a semi slams your Retriever into a pond. Again, you're upside down... You look in your wallet and find that you have $2,850 still. You reset, drive to the pumps and throw down another $50. You're sitting there with a full tank counting your dough, and find you're sitting on 2,800 beans.

Each time you reset, you are only out the replacement cost of the fuel, one time. The fuel that WAS in your tank was already paid for LAST time you reset. One reset, one fuel cost. (Unless you consider the fuel upon purchase to come out of your pocket, that's the only excpetion)

LOL sorry this is so off topic! I'm just trying to figure out why you would count your losses twice for every reset.

Here's how it is for me and for many others, with screens as proof:

1st image: my cute harvester. Note the amount of money i currently have (€7931).
https://i.imgur.com/ICZ0jN8.jpg

2nd image: just reset it to the store. Note the €778 (Fuel Costs) pop-up.
https://i.imgur.com/1DBy4xz.jpg

3rd image: at the store. Note that i'm out of the money and out of the fuel as well (€7153 as final balance).
https://i.imgur.com/wUtnuuN.jpg

Did that make sense?

Edit: 3x follow-up images as well:
4th image: refueled harvester at fuel station. Note the fuel cost.
https://i.imgur.com/Uvk1s56.jpg

5th image: reset my harvester for 2nd time. Note the Fuel Costs pop-up.
https://i.imgur.com/hu60UZK.jpg

6th image: at the store, again out of money and fuel.
https://i.imgur.com/nPK4Vad.jpg

[Mod Sloth]

Before you reset, unhook from the trailer, then rehook. It will usually right itself.