VR

[SalaciousBCrumb]

Awww, no VR option? :(

[aiken93]

Just got into VR yesterday, and all I can say is WOW! This is one of the coolest things I have ever seen. It feels like you’re dropped right into a living breathing world. I hope this technology really advances and more people jump on the band wagon.

[[UN] Simon]

VR support would be epic plus touch controllers etc

[~* BiZZ Keryear *~]

Originally posted by Homer G. Adams:

VR is cool, but too expensive and it has taken off in the 80's with helmet big as Darth Vaders helmet. I tested one and it was cool.
A few days ago i tested the PS4 VR and after 10 minutes driving a Quad, i nearly spilled out my lunch. So it is far from taking off.
Less price but more comfortable for your brain and eyes. Games need to be proofed before using it. To this time it is a Nerd thing, mostly for young guns...

It hadn't big helments ... or would you describe that as big helmets? :
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Virtuality_marketing_page.jpg
But it was fricking expensive. The 1000CS system (which only had 4 games) was expensive as a new sports car.

Ok, I can't find a verified source for the price right now but back then it was (according to reddit) ~ $65,000! Which would be today about $117,159.84.
Here is a list of things you could buy for that money:

• https://www.thrillist.com/tech/5-things-you-could-buy-instead-of-samsung-s-new-120-000-tv (though it's from 2014)
  
• or https://worthly.com/most-expensive/cars/can-buy-used-ferrari-f430-120000/
  
• or a house ...
  
• or a game system which has 4 games ... which aren't included in that price

So stop complaining that todays VR is too expensive. It only needs a decent computer (the toaster in your kitchen won't do) ... as I said I run it a 1070 and a i7-7700T If you can live with not being able to read walls of texts.

1st Gen VR dropped from almost 1000€ (... that is what I payed, that is including shipment and tax ... but not including several hardware updates [you partially now get for free] ... and the changes I made to a room) ... to about $400 (I think it was even as low as $300 at some point .. somewhere ... but don't quote me on that. The $400 is the current Amazon.com price) for the Rift and $499 for a Vive system (which was IMHO also cheaper at some point)
Keep out an eye for sales I guess.

And as I also said PSVR isn't good VR ... you know, the "driving a Prius and claiming it's a sports car"-thing.

Speaking of sports cars ... Your last demand is also like this: "Lamborghinis* also didn't took off. They have to be much more cheaper and easier to drive"
*= or put a other high price but high quality car in here.
You can't be using the cheapest car in line an then demand to have the same performance as the high quality ones. Quality (and development) has its price ... and while you could cheap out it is the question if you should.
After all you can get a 360° VR like video experience with $10 of cardboard (or alike) ...

And PS VR ... is neither one nor the other ... it neither especially cheap (with $350 aside you need a PS4 pro**) nor good (tracking issues, lagging frames, and so on, which all induces neusea)

**=I know that you can run it on a regular PS4, but that doesn't mean you should ... it's nauseating ... even more than on the pro.

The only thing that I let count against VR is ... that standing VR and room scale VR is physically exhausting. PLaying a game just to relax ... kinda doesn't work on VR.

[Sasha Mason]

Originally posted by ~* BiZZ Keryear *~:

The only thing that I let count against VR is ... that standing VR and room scale VR is physically exhausting. PLaying a game just to relax ... kinda doesn't work on VR.

But one wouldn't be playing something like Farming Sim while standing, so pretty much the only contra doesn't apply here.

[~* BiZZ Keryear *~]

Originally posted by Mason™ of Germany:

Originally posted by ~* BiZZ Keryear *~:

The only thing that I let count against VR is ... that standing VR and room scale VR is physically exhausting. PLaying a game just to relax ... kinda doesn't work on VR.

But one wouldn't be playing something like Farming Sim while standing, so pretty much the only contra doesn't apply here.

Yeah, there are exception to the rule ... (everything sitting) like bridge crew, ETS2, and FS ... I don't count racing sims, though ... those can be intense

[Sasha Mason]

But then again, FS would need some sort of first person only mode. I mean, I dunno how VR would behave if you were to use the third person camera

[UselessAqua]

Originally posted by Mason™ of Germany:

But then again, FS would need some sort of first person only mode. I mean, I dunno how VR would behave if you were to use the third person camera

Ever played ETS2 or Project Cars 2 in VR?
There the 3rd Person Cam is wiered and you should not use it.

[Sasha Mason]

Originally posted by UselessAqua:

Originally posted by Mason™ of Germany:

But then again, FS would need some sort of first person only mode. I mean, I dunno how VR would behave if you were to use the third person camera

Ever played ETS2 or Project Cars 2 in VR?
There the 3rd Person Cam is wiered and you should not use it.

Unfortunatly I don't have any VR headsets so no, I haven't. I also haven't seen anyone do it.

[Homer G. Adams]

Originally posted by ~* BiZZ Keryear *~:

It hadn't big helments ... or would you describe that as big helmets? :

https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fimage.redbull.com%2Frbcom%2F010%2F2014-01-16%2F1331628305470_2%2F0100%2F0%2F1%2Fvfx-1.jpg&sp=b1027d5358b9ba243202421db7ab1b34

And the price of this wasn't 100.000 $... it was 1800 Deutsch Marks in germany.

Games the system supported were:
3D Animals
3D Sports
3D Tour
3D Anatomy
Comanche 3
Dark Forces
Dark Forces 2
Descent
Descent II
Duke Nukem 3D
EF2000
Flight Unlimited
Flight Unlimited II
Hexen
Hexen II
Jane's A.T.F
Locus
Madspace
Magic Carpet
Magic Carpet 2
Malice
Marine Fighters
Mech Warrior 2
Mech Warrior Mercenaries DOS
MS Windows '95 Game SDK
Quake
Quake II
Redneck Rampage
Rise Of The Triad
Shattered Steel
Storm Fighter
Strife
Suckin' Grits on Route 66
Super Karts
System Shock Enhanced CD
Tekwar
Terminator: Future Shock
Terminator: Skynet
TerraNova
U.S. Navy Fighters
Witchaven
Witchaven II
X-men: Ravages of Apocalypse
Z.A.R.
Zephyr

I had the chance to test it with comanche, great feeling. But i realy thought it was bigger hehe.

But thats 25 years ago. Since then the price for the market is still to high for the big crowd. Just to play a game !
As i said, it is still a nerd thing. Imagine a family with 3 kids and all want one, just to play one game together !!! A few years ago i build my own track IR for FSX and it worked great. It cost me cents and not hundred of euros. Oh and my old webcam ^^.
I used it for maybe 10 hours and it landed somewhere in a box for the past 8 years or so.

And buying a VR set (a good one) for around 800-1000 Euro, just to find out after 10 hours..."nah thats not my thing, or my stomache don't like it to much..." and sell it for alot less, is burning money, normal family don't want to burn.

Nerds do this. Why i know that ? I was one 35 years ago.
I love simulations and never played them on easy, allways realistic as much it was possible...

Much better games, produced for VR only and way lower market price (99 $ and less) and this will boom like smartphones did. Do not forget the change of technic. You will have to buy every year a new VR Set, cause the old won't work with the newest game ... to be continued...

[rhino350wynn]

Too expensive is all relative and it seems right now most people consider it too expensive for what it is.

[Vicman]

Alien Isolation mod
Dying Light vr option
ETS2 and ATS -lauch vr option
Awesome all of them.This FS19 will be sooo cool too.
If anyone haves an VORPX profile please tell me and share!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrRGqhB49Yk

[bullet in ur f. face]

go on vorpx forum, you'll see someone who got this game running in G3D using farming simulator 2017.

VR is real for this game using vorpx.

[~* BiZZ Keryear *~]

Originally posted by UselessAqua:

Originally posted by Mason™ of Germany:

But then again, FS would need some sort of first person only mode. I mean, I dunno how VR would behave if you were to use the third person camera

Ever played ETS2 or Project Cars 2 in VR?
There the 3rd Person Cam is wiered and you should not use it.

@Mason & @UselessAqua

Well, probably one reason why ETS2 VR is still in beta.
There are different ways to implement 3rd person in VR ... some not so good and some better ones.
Maybe something like in Final Approach would be better ... where you stand still and move your farming equipment like toys ... (get this feeling in FS anyway if I play in 3rd person, also the reason why I am upset that I can't set the 1st person as default ... and also that I can't set the 3rd person cam to a default distance .... it annoys the frick out of me to always start in my trailer)

That also answers @Mason since you only would need to have this (1st person) cam as default.

Originally posted by Homer G. Adams:

[...]
https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fimage.redbull.com%2Frbcom%2F010%2F2014-01-16%2F1331628305470_2%2F0100%2F0%2F1%2Fvfx-1.jpg&sp=b1027d5358b9ba243202421db7ab1b34

You really should learn how to link properly.
Correct link: https://image.redbull.com/rbcom/010/2014-01-16/1331628305470_2/0100/0/1/vfx-1.jpg (without the spying URL which only serves exactly the same picture ... you can see this URL within your link)

Better links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFX1_Headgear or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forte_VFX1

Originally posted by Homer G. Adams:

[...]And the price of this wasn't 100.000 $... it was 1800 Deutsch Marks in germany.

$ 65,000 in 1992 (Which would be almost $120.000 today)
And this device came at $695 in 1995 (which would be today $1,153.25) or 1.800 DM (920,32 €) in 1995 (which would be 1.274,08 € today)
To be fair here: The 1992 device ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuality_%28gaming%29 ) included (which the 1195 doesn't):

• A high end computer (Amiga 3000)
  
• A full standing experience (the 1995 device only has a sitting one and limited track only*... , while the 1992 device had full tracking in all directions ... remembering in Dactyl Nightmare using all sorts environment to my advantage)
  
• 
  A standing shell (dunno who to name it otherwise) http://www.retro-vr.co.uk/test/Images/DSC_0558.jpg
  
• Despite older, better resolution screen with 2x276x372 (the 1995 device one I would describe as unusable low 2x263 x 230)

*=pitch (70 degrees), roll (70 degrees), and yaw (360 degrees)
Anyways the 1995 VFX-1 did cut a lot of corners ... and still wasn't (even tho the list of software is impressive ... for that time anyways) for mass market. Since not only because of the price which was as high as a full PC back then (while today you can't really get a gaming one under $1000 anyway ... and the VR gear for PC is $350 - $400) but mainly it wouldn't work of the bat with many PCs (incompatibilities / setup issues) Which also meant you probably would have to also buy a compatible graphic card ... if you could find one.

Originally posted by Homer G. Adams:

Games the system supported were:
[snip a list 45 games ... if I counted right]

I had the chance to test it with comanche, great feeling. But i realy thought it was bigger hehe.

But thats 25 years ago. Since then the price for the market is still to high for the big crowd. Just to play a game !

You could also put that argument forward for any gaming PC. ... So you only play with offline dice and playing cards then?

Originally posted by Homer G. Adams:

As i said, it is still a nerd thing. Imagine a family with 3 kids and all want one, just to play one game together !!! A few years ago i build my own track IR for FSX and it worked great. It cost me cents and not hundred of euros. Oh and my old webcam ^^.
I used it for maybe 10 hours and it landed somewhere in a box for the past 8 years or so.

I did the same and I wouldn't exactly saying it worked that great. It was usable, but only for about 20h gaming (I did in 3 month) , then some OS patch broke the (hopelessly outdated**) software and I couldn't get it to run anymore.
Solution would have been to buy a 300€ TrackIR set (the real deal from TrackIR), but by that point VR was announced to be released as consumer product, and I didn't want to invest 300€ in something that will be replaced by VR anyway.

**=which had seen an update in years even at that time, now it is about a decade old.

Originally posted by Homer G. Adams:

And buying a VR set (a good one) for around 800-1000 Euro, just to find out after 10 hours..."nah thats not my thing, or my stomache don't like it to much..." and sell it for alot less, is burning money, normal family don't want to burn.

It's 449€ (amazon, in prime - rift) to 599 € (vive store /conrad.de) in Germany
Or you can rent one: (although it's probably currently more viable to buy one) https://www.rentaprinta.de/VR%20Brille%20mieten%20-%20HTC%20Vive%20leihen%20-%20360%20Grad%20Brille%20mieten%20-%20Virtual%20Reality%20Computer%20mieten%20-%20Rent%20a%20VR%20Headset.html (since it's €79 per day [or €39/day if you rent it for 30 days])

Originally posted by Homer G. Adams:

[...]
Much better games, produced for VR only and way lower market price (99 $ and less) [...]

1. Define better games.
   
2. Most VR in my library games are 20€ or less, a few are up to 60€. Some on my wishlist are 60€ as well.

Originally posted by Homer G. Adams:

[...]Do not forget the change of technic. You will have to buy every year a new VR Set, cause the old won't work with the newest game[...]

Erm ... NOPE! That's like saying you need to buy a new screen every year.
You can upgrade, but you don't have to (in case of screens from 1080p @60hz, to 1440p@144/200hz and HDR) the VR 2nd Gen has a better resolution on the headset and even better tracking (you can use even bigger rooms and it got ever more precise). But the game itself mostly can't even tell. The new controller in development by Valve will bring some improvements ... like being able to tell where which of your finger is ... but that is compatible to the system, so in worst case (if everyone only supports this controller suddenly) you only need the controllers.
So a big nope (aside that the Gen 1 VR I own is now two years old) to your prediction!

Edit: Rent was only the first in hit in google: here is a cheaper alternative https://www.milo-rental.com/detail/1387/htc_vive_mieten.html (but often they did not tell like: https://www.vr-brille-mieten.de/detail/1387/htc_vive.html )