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Burnouts3s3 2019 年 4 月 17 日 下午 5:08
What is your opinion of Turnabout Big Top?
In Justice for All, Turnabout Big Top is often cited as one of the WORST cases in the franchises, mainly due to some of the stupid logic, puzzles requiring awkward solutions and reveals.

What do you think?
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[ZeroForce] Out 2019 年 7 月 9 日 下午 7:08 
Ok, so finally got through this case, and here's my thoughts

(HEAVY SPOILER WARNING)

The atmosphere takes a while to kick off, but it is a nice scenario if you can look past the cookie-cutter characters that seems to take a lot of time to explain simple things, like Bat's accident. It's one of those cases that leads you to think of one scenario for the first half of the case (Ben/Trilo trying to kill Max) and then breaking it by throwing other mysteries.

I thing Acro being cornered in 4-1 and all the focus on Acro and Regina on 4-2 are the highlights for this case. And well, I have to say the ending was somehow satisfactory, albeit sad.

However, as many already pointed out, a lot of inconsistencies still persists and are hard to follow, such as:

> How Acro was so certain of when someone was squatting to get the "bait" box? (or if anyone would, actually...)
> Why the Ringmaster had to wear Max's clothes?
> How the cape attached to the bust in the depicted wat(I SIMPLY CANNOT ACCEPT THAT IT JUST "ATTACHED" TO IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!)
> How there wasn't markings on the snow of the bust falling on the ground (don't tell me Acro just knew when to hold the rope before it hit the ground)


Personally, I thought there was going to be an even bigger twist in this case (like Regina being a mastermind of both events because she didn't like boys proposing to her all the time or whatnot). If I can overlook the flaws, it's a solid case, but again, too many gaps and too slow of a pace to get through.
Redblaze27 2019 年 7 月 9 日 下午 7:12 
I'm just gonna say Turnabout Reclaimed from Dual Destinies is a vastly superior case.
Battler Ushiromiya 2019 年 7 月 9 日 下午 9:55 
引用自 ZeroForce Out

> How the cape attached to the bust in the depicted wat(I SIMPLY CANNOT ACCEPT THAT IT JUST "ATTACHED" TO IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!)
> How there wasn't markings on the snow of the bust falling on the ground (don't tell me Acro just knew when to hold the rope before it hit the ground)

First, the roses got caught in between the cards. The cape flew up, and when it was falling back to the ground, the gap in the cards caught the roses and held the cape up.
Second, it simply didn't hit the ground. I imagine the feeling of it hitting someone is very noticeable and so he stopped it from moving when he felt that. Or, the more simple answer, it hit the box.
Soma Cruz 2019 年 7 月 13 日 下午 1:44 
Regina sexy
HueyLewisFan 2019 年 7 月 15 日 上午 9:45 
I think that the setting of the case is a bit weak, and the characters are a bit annoying, but Moe becomes likeable at the end, and Acro's "breakdown" is one of the best and most emotional in the original games for me, personally. If Acro and his tragic backstory were removed from the case and replaced with something with similar flaws to the rest of the case, it'd be far worse. It's still a weak entry, but I enjoyed the finale quite a bit.
Quincy Quinn 2019 年 7 月 18 日 上午 5:33 
Just throwing my opinion out here:

I really love Turnabout Big Top.

Mostly, I enjoy the characters the most. Moe is a clown that, for once, doesn't scare me and feels human. Acro's tale is a tragic one. Max Galactica is super memorable to me, and rather funny. Really the only character I dislike, for her perky naivety, is Regina. A real highlight of the whole original trilogy.

Most people, I heard, dislike this case for the weird way they made Max "fly" in that it seemed too nonsensical. Everyone is in a perfectly valid position to believe that. When I first played through this blind some years ago, I actually loved the huge twist of it all. Others found it rage-inducing, so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. The whole circumstance was a "circus act" to be sure, but I was never angry at it.
BDtetra 2019 年 7 月 25 日 上午 7:06 
Personally, the characters were fine, the final bust hiding location was great, but the murder itself is what falls flat. Everything went way too perfectly even outside of the murderer's intention, and the whole elaborate "trick" of the killing was absolutely dumb. What was Acro's plan initially? It makes no sense.

Let's pretend everything went according to Acro's plan. He was obviously not planning to get caught because he claimed that he "needed to be there for his brother", but yet if the girl actually came as he planned, the whole thing would have been blamed on Acro right from the beginning. No Max coat, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about flying, the clown would have saw a heavy object lifting up into Acro's room, and there would have been no mystery. It makes no sense. Even if the clown didn't see the whole ordeal, it still couldn't have been anybody else but Acro, considering he was the only person to have any grudge against that girl in the whole circus. Its absolutely dumb and I hate it for that.

TLDR: The problem is that the plan only made sense because it failed spectacularly, and it would have ended in a disaster if the original plan has succeeded. That being said, 50% of the cases only work because a crucial witness "fainted" at the perfect moment, but lets keep that aside.
最后由 BDtetra 编辑于; 2019 年 7 月 25 日 上午 7:13
Battler Ushiromiya 2019 年 7 月 25 日 上午 7:09 
He didn't care if he got caught. That's the long and short of it. He said he needed to be there for his brother, which was why he threw Max under the bust when fate smiles on him, but before that, I highly doubt he gave a damn
JonPringus 2019 年 8 月 10 日 下午 9:24 
Oh yeah, this case really got me as a kid because of the huge logic leaps, which are in a lot of cases in the trilogy, but really apparent here. I remember using a guide on this case a lot. (Forgive me I was 10)
TOTALLY NOT A SKELETON 2019 年 8 月 14 日 上午 11:10 
From what I remember, it's just your typical filler case. Not great by any means but also not as horrible as people make it out to be. It isn't nearly as bad as that yokai case from DD.
JonPringus 2019 年 8 月 15 日 下午 1:46 
It isn't nearly as bad as that yokai case from DD.
Yokai case was the best case in DD.
Battler Ushiromiya 2019 年 8 月 15 日 下午 1:58 
引用自 JonPringus
It isn't nearly as bad as that yokai case from DD.
Yokai case was the best case in DD.
It wasn't
TOTALLY NOT A SKELETON 2019 年 8 月 15 日 下午 9:54 
引用自 JonPringus
It isn't nearly as bad as that yokai case from DD.
Yokai case was the best case in DD.
I found it unbearably boring. It actually killed my interest in DD until I picked it back up 4 months later and forced myself to finish it so I could see what the rest of the game was like.
JonPringus 2019 年 8 月 16 日 上午 1:13 
I found it unbearably boring. It actually killed my interest in DD until I picked it back up 4 months later and forced myself to finish it so I could see what the rest of the game was like.
It repeaked my interest in DD after the slog of a first case. The characters and their interactions really pulled it through even though the actual murder itself wasn't too interesting. It's also the only case to make good use of Fullbright. I was invested and thoroughly enjoyed the twists. That and Turnabout Academy gave me hope for the game and pulled me through the last two cases that were just a boring, and offensive chore. Would have left the game sour if not for Turnabout Reclaimed. But we've already had this conversation here, no need to bring it up again.

What interests me here is how diverse of opinions the ace attorney fanbase has. Sure, it's generally agreed that T&T is the best game and JFA is the worst, but there are so many people willing to voice their contraversial opinions and hot takes, as seen in this thread. And people can be pretty insulting to others and cause frustration, but that doesn't seem to ruin the unity of the fandom or take away from the public discourse. People can be as toxic as they want, but it doesn't derail topics like with other games. Idk, don't mean to circlejerk I just want to show some appreciation to you guys.

Anyway, I loved Turnabout Monster, and while the two best cases in DD are full of cliched characters and plotpoints, it was done in a good manner. I wouldn't call it "subversive" especially since that carries a negative connotation nowadays, but it was perfectly bearable.
Battler Ushiromiya 2019 年 8 月 16 日 下午 12:16 
"it's generally agreed that T&T is the best game and JFA is the worst"
If we're just looking at the trilogy, maybe. If we look at the whole series, it's far from that simple.
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