What is your opinion of Turnabout Big Top?

[Burnouts3s3]

In Justice for All, Turnabout Big Top is often cited as one of the WORST cases in the franchises, mainly due to some of the stupid logic, puzzles requiring awkward solutions and reveals.

What do you think?

[Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective]

ToveriJuri님이 먼저 게시:

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective님이 먼저 게시:

He's tanned. Not orange. But since the suit is super orange, and is somewhat close to his skin color, it influences how you perceive his skin. But it's not orange at all, really.

He's as orange as his suit. This is not a case where your mind fills in details. Just for the hell of it I took a screenshot in of gant and removed all the reds from his suit to see if his face seemed different to me. No still cartoonishly orange. Not only that but Gimps color picker recognized a lot of the same shades of orange in his face as it did in his suit. So It's not just my eyes or my monitor messing with me. Gant looks like a human carrot hybrid.

I've seen fanart of Gant where they actually give him a more natural tan human skin color and the difference from his suit becomes obvious. Actually looks pretty decent.

It is not as orange as you're saying. It's very much tan. Not my fault that you're blind as a bat.

But, to humor you, people are slightly orange. Depends on the light source, though. You get small accents of it in your complexion if you're white. Even tanned people would be. So no, still very much in line with humans here.

[Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective]

To elaborate a bit more, Gant is not particularly orange. He's tan. At least, not the shade of orange that's unrealistic to use for anime. If it was FFA500 then I'd agree. But it's like f4a44f, which is actually close on the color wheel to where you would actually find skin tones. Because, lo and behold, there's a hint of orange in anime skin tone. Shocking, huh?

[Domo]

ToveriJuri님이 먼저 게시:

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective님이 먼저 게시:

Heresy. The last case in the first game is so much better than most other cases. It's insane.

The case drags out for way too long the characters are quirky and weird even by Phoenix Wright standards to the point of being really annoying. None of them act believably in any way and they look stupid too. I'm not asking for realism in Phoenix wright but the cowboy thing was taken way too far? And an orange skinned (why?) man who's supposed to be the police chief but acts anything but like a police chief.

Not only that the logic of some characters is extremely stupid. Someone pushing someone else to their death accidentally in a confusing situation in the dark when a real murder is threatening them is considered murder according to this game... So that didn't actually happen but but believing it did was the catalyst for the entire plot which is ridiculous. No one would actually be considered a murderer for something like that.

The character designs are quite colourful but their personalities and actions are all pretty realistic and grounded (except meekins) and they certainly aren't ott by this trilogy's standards:

Larry Butz
Redd White
Sal Manella
Wendy Oldbag
Lotta Hart
Manfred Von Karma
Richard Wellington
franziska Von Karma
Ini Miney
Hotti
Max Galactica
Ben
Moe
Regina Berry
Luke Atmey
Ron De Lite
Furio Tigre
Jean Armstrong
Lisa Basil
Victor Kudo

are all ridiculous (not that that's necessarily a bad thing), every case has quirky characters (with the exception of maybe 3-1 and 3-4).

I think whether it would have been considered murder or not is irrelevant, Lana would have done what she did anyway to prevent Ema from thinking that she had killed Neil Marshall, even if it was an accident

[Peelsepuuppi]

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective님이 먼저 게시:

To elaborate a bit more, Gant is not particularly orange. He's tan. At least, not the shade of orange that's unrealistic to use for anime. If it was FFA500 then I'd agree. But it's like f4a44f, which is actually close on the color wheel to where you would actually find skin tones. Because, lo and behold, there's a hint of orange in anime skin tone. Shocking, huh?

Show me an unedited picture of someone who has the skintone actually matching f4a44f and I'll shut up. Carotene overdoes doesn't count.

[Panda o' Mobius]

Why is there even such discussion when Luke Atmey's nose exist

[Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective]

ToveriJuri님이 먼저 게시:

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective님이 먼저 게시:

To elaborate a bit more, Gant is not particularly orange. He's tan. At least, not the shade of orange that's unrealistic to use for anime. If it was FFA500 then I'd agree. But it's like f4a44f, which is actually close on the color wheel to where you would actually find skin tones. Because, lo and behold, there's a hint of orange in anime skin tone. Shocking, huh?

Show me an unedited picture of someone who has the skintone actually matching f4a44f and I'll shut up. Carotene overdoes doesn't count.

I don't have to. No one has any of the skin tones shown in most anime. Generally your skin isn't one uniform color like in most anime. Also missing the entire point for a really bad counter argument, so congrats for that. I'm talking about anime, which Phoenix Wright uses for its style, not real life people. How can you possibly miss that? The truth of it is that orange-ish colors aren't super uncommon for anime. Some much lighter than others.

The real answer is that you're complaining for the sake of it, rather than any real issue. At least in this regard.

[Svertok]

Love this discussion

[Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective]

Carnage Onred님이 먼저 게시:

Love this discussion

In a series where people can channel spirits into their body, which physically changes their body to match said person, and people have naturally purple/pink/blue hair, this guy calls out Gant for being kind of orange? So petty.

[Peelsepuuppi]

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective님이 먼저 게시:

ToveriJuri님이 먼저 게시:

Show me an unedited picture of someone who has the skintone actually matching f4a44f and I'll shut up. Carotene overdoes doesn't count.

I don't have to. No one has any of the skin tones shown in most anime. Generally your skin isn't one uniform color like in most anime. Also missing the entire point for a really bad counter argument, so congrats for that. I'm talking about anime, which Phoenix Wright uses for its style, not real life people. How can you possibly miss that? The truth of it is that orange-ish colors aren't super uncommon for anime. Some much lighter than others.

The real answer is that you're complaining for the sake of it, rather than any real issue. At least in this regard.

No I'm not arguing just for the sake of it. When I first saw Gant's skin tone it was really jarring to me. Probably contributed a lot to the bad first impression I had of him. I've seen my fair share of drawn and animated human beings and the skin tone they use for Gant is a first for me at least when it comes to characters that are supposed to be regular humans and not aliens.

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective님이 먼저 게시:

Carnage Onred님이 먼저 게시:

Love this discussion

In a series where people can channel spirits into their body, which physically changes their body to match said person, and people have naturally purple/pink/blue hair, this guy calls out Gant for being kind of orange? So petty.

Because he's the single case in the entire series from what I've seen. It's not just a skin tone some people could have It's him specifically. If there were multiple other people in the trilogy that have the a similar skin tone it wouldn't have been so out of place. Plus it is just one nitpick there were a lot of things I disliked about the character. I already called him out for being one dimensional, but for some reason people picked up on my issues with him being orange rather than my issue with his character depth.

[Peelsepuuppi]

Foxysen님이 먼저 게시:

Why is there even such discussion when Luke Atmey's nose exist

I hated that episode too. Actually think it's worse than this one. TBT was Decent in comparison. At least the ridiculous characters of TBT fit the setting. But some of the characters in 3-2 felt like they escaped from a circus...

[Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective]

ToveriJuri님이 먼저 게시:

Because he's the single case in the entire series from what I've seen. It's not just a skin tone some people could have It's him specifically. If there were multiple other people in the trilogy that have the a similar skin tone it wouldn't have been so out of place. Plus it is just one nitpick there were a lot of things I disliked about the character. I already called him out for being one dimensional, but for some reason people picked up on my issues with him being orange rather than my issue with his character depth.

Furio Tigre is literally more orange. Nothing else you say at this point matters.

And it wouldn't even matter. Purple/blue/pink hair is as unbelievable and you just ignore that?

And character depth is about as much as any other antagonist that lasts 1 case. He's just a guy who went too far in pursuing criminals, becoming one himself. Like, he's better than Luke Atmey, Frank Sahwit, definitely better than Redd White, and a fair other villains.

[Peelsepuuppi]

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective님이 먼저 게시:

ToveriJuri님이 먼저 게시:

Because he's the single case in the entire series from what I've seen. It's not just a skin tone some people could have It's him specifically. If there were multiple other people in the trilogy that have the a similar skin tone it wouldn't have been so out of place. Plus it is just one nitpick there were a lot of things I disliked about the character. I already called him out for being one dimensional, but for some reason people picked up on my issues with him being orange rather than my issue with his character depth.

Furio Tigre is literally more orange. Nothing else you say at this point matters.

And it wouldn't even matter. Purple/blue/pink hair is as unbelievable and you just ignore that?

And character depth is about as much as any other antagonist that lasts 1 case. He's just a guy who went too far in pursuing criminals, becoming one himself. Like, he's better than Luke Atmey, Frank Sahwit, definitely better than Redd White, and a fair other villains.

Go to a modern collage campus or an anime convention and all will see all of those hair colors. Not to mention they are so common in Drawn and animated format that you get used to that. Hell boy wannabe is a bit rarer sight though.

Hmm could be that I'm dissapointed in Gant because I expected better from an antagonist that had so much screen time, like a justification for the episode being so long. Speaking of character depth. Funnily enough the "villain" from the episode this topic was about is actually better written than the one note scheming police chief.

[Panda o' Mobius]

Did someone just say something less than elegant about Zvarri's nose?

Unacceptable!





I am dancingly unsubbing from this foul discussion.

[Svertok]

Ryotaro Dojima: Ace Detective님이 먼저 게시:

Carnage Onred님이 먼저 게시:

Definitely not godawful like many other people say it is, but not top tier either. Just another average episode which continues the-third-filler-case tradition.

Imo, out of all cases from the original trilogy I really disliked Rise from the Ashes.

Heresy. The last case in the first game is so much better than most other cases. It's insane.

(Sorry, didn't notice this response earlier because of yours debates about skin color of the certain character)

While I had some fun with every case in Nintendo DS anthology (which includes original trilogy, AJ and both spin offs about Edgeworth) and wouldn't call any of these cases really bad or unenjoyable, at the end of my playthrough of all six games I found out that I almost didn't have anything nice to say about RFTA.

Imo, the case was dragged out for no real reason other than the fact that they tried to please Japanese players who bought the game the second time and expected new content in that rerelease. For me, RFTA was so long up to the point that I forgot how case had started when I got to the middle of it.

Because of the length, the pacing was terrible. I was tired of RFTA so much that I had dropped the game for months and returned to it some time later.

Also imo, I don't like the place which this case has in chronology of the series. They should have made this case to be its own thing by making it non-canon or not adding Edgeworth to the overall story of RFTA. Seriously, if you cut this case entirely from the timeline, it won't have any changes on Edgeworth character except that he would have less reasons to "choose death".

Also this is the only case in the entire series which I couldn't complete without guides. Literally I used guides all the time for this case because I didn't have any ideas what evidences I should have found in investigation sequences and presented in court. I don't know why this worked out for me in that way but I did managed to complete other cases without using walkthroughs and guides most of the time.

Rise from the Ashes sure has its moments. The main idea behind the plot was good. Characters were memorable. Ema is one of the best grills in the series. Gant was good cunning villain. I can see why people love this case and perceive it as one of the top 10 best cases in AA. I don't think RFTA is bad but it is definitely overrated, at least for me. And again imo, out of all cases which I would like to replay I won't choose RFTA because of the reasons mentioned earlier.

[Redblaze27]

Foxysen님이 먼저 게시:

Nothing insane about the last case of original game being better than most later ones. After all, it's a bonus case that was made for DS version after whole trilogy was made on GBA.

It was a case made to both serve as a tech demo for AA4, and needed to stand out as being worth it to owners of the original GBA version.