Weirdly Difficult/Luck Based Gameplay?

[electricangel]

So I've been playing the game a bit since launch and does anyone else feel this feels like a more luck-based game compared to the skill-based Racing Transformed? The way you just stop completely after being hit and take ages to get back up to speed, the constant Team Ultimates opponent teams use, and the fact that the CPU players are garbage and keep dragging your score down.. It just feels like everything is up to luck on anything higher than Normal difficulty. It takes ages to charge up the team ultimate and even if you want to save it for when you're behind, you can't because the damn CPU players decide to use it up. And sometimes the CPU will go from like 3rd place to 12th and not recover no matter how many items you pass. It feels really like it was made for more co-op gameplay and it's really disappointing. The game just isn't satisfying to play like Racing Transformed. I dunno, maybe it's me. Maybe I suck. I really want to like this game, as there are plenty of great elements (the level themes, the music, the customizable karts, the character interactions) but the core gameplay just feels utterly flawed. Sorry if this is rant-y and all but does anyone else feel similarly?

[Jeremy]

I hate when my AI teammates get too far behind and there's nothing much I can do to help them except spam transfer and hope the guage fills up enough. Though there is rare blue invincibility boxes you can keep an eye out for while in first, that's probably the best way to help them. I don't really think the AI is that bad but I wish they would remove/change the missions that require the whole team to be in 1st 2nd and 3rd, they're way too inconsistent for that. Hopefully we get updates to the mechanics and not just bug fixes.

[Seraphita]

I found that power characters are sometimes the ones that get most behind. So my only way to win those is by using myself a power character so speed and technical go ahead. It's a pain.

[olc]

Originally posted by ElectricAngel:

So I've been playing the game a bit since launch and does anyone else feel this feels like a more luck-based game compared to the skill-based Racing Transformed? The way you just stop completely after being hit and take ages to get back up to speed, the constant Team Ultimates opponent teams use, and the fact that the CPU players are garbage and keep dragging your score down.. It just feels like everything is up to luck on anything higher than Normal difficulty. It takes ages to charge up the team ultimate and even if you want to save it for when you're behind, you can't because the damn CPU players decide to use it up. And sometimes the CPU will go from like 3rd place to 12th and not recover no matter how many items you pass. It feels really like it was made for more co-op gameplay and it's really disappointing. The game just isn't satisfying to play like Racing Transformed. I dunno, maybe it's me. Maybe I suck. I really want to like this game, as there are plenty of great elements (the level themes, the music, the customizable karts, the character interactions) but the core gameplay just feels utterly flawed. Sorry if this is rant-y and all but does anyone else feel similarly?

its random. some races you win some you suck. another reason why i returned it.

[Scarlet]

Your AI friends are literally mental. Besides that, if you yourself are losing to the bots you seriously suck at the game. Not trying to be rude, but anyone coming from the previous racers can get a massive lead on this game's AI. Time your team ultimate for near the end for the best results for your buds, but sadly that's up to them to use it right.

[Withywarlock]

I find that whenever I'm behind, my teammates are too. But when I'm in front, it's very rare that they're near me. It's awfully inconsistent.

The rubberbanding should not be as frequent as it is, not when the game's premise provides the tools for the AI to catch up on its own. Rival racers, indeed my own teammates, should not need a random burst of speed because the game says so; they should be following in my slip streams, and using items instead of offering them up to me all the time.

Strangely it's in the multiplayer races where the rubberbanding is crazy. In the single player, I'm not having that much difficulty with AI teammates being behind and it never gets in the way of my Team Adventure stars.

[olc]

Originally posted by Fistfantastic:

I find that whenever I'm behind, my teammates are too. But when I'm in front, it's very rare that they're near me. It's awfully inconsistent.

The rubberbanding should not be as frequent as it is, not when the game's premise provides the tools for the AI to catch up on its own. Rival racers, indeed my own teammates, should not need a random burst of speed because the game says so; they should be following in my slip streams, and using items instead of offering them up to me all the time.

Strangely it's in the multiplayer races where the rubberbanding is crazy. In the single player, I'm not having that much difficulty with AI teammates being behind and it never gets in the way of my Team Adventure stars.

everything is about the enemies AI aka the other racers that are not your team. if the AI loads "dumb" you and your team end up 1-2-3 if the enemy AI loads up "beserking" you end up last places. that is not a fun experience to have random AI settings for each race. or the AI is dumb and you defeat them with a single wisp, or the AI is beserking and will thrash you and your team mates just cause it can do so. for example i have seen perfect driving from the AI even giving several flips on the ramps on the game, with a precision no human can do and getting extra turbo boosts.

[Scarlet]

Originally posted by olc:

Originally posted by Fistfantastic:

I find that whenever I'm behind, my teammates are too. But when I'm in front, it's very rare that they're near me. It's awfully inconsistent.

The rubberbanding should not be as frequent as it is, not when the game's premise provides the tools for the AI to catch up on its own. Rival racers, indeed my own teammates, should not need a random burst of speed because the game says so; they should be following in my slip streams, and using items instead of offering them up to me all the time.

Strangely it's in the multiplayer races where the rubberbanding is crazy. In the single player, I'm not having that much difficulty with AI teammates being behind and it never gets in the way of my Team Adventure stars.

everything is about the enemies AI aka the other racers that are not your team. if the AI loads "dumb" you and your team end up 1-2-3 if the enemy AI loads up "beserking" you end up last places. that is not a fun experience to have random AI settings for each race. or the AI is dumb and you defeat them with a single wisp, or the AI is beserking and will thrash you and your team mates just cause it can do so. for example i have seen perfect driving from the AI even giving several flips on the ramps on the game, with a precision no human can do and getting extra turbo boosts.

What's this "perfect driving" like? Do you have a video? I've played nearly 20 hours already and only in the first two hours did the AI destroy me once, because I was ♥♥♥♥. Now them being close to me when I win is very rare.

[olc]

Originally posted by 2huScarletScythe:

Originally posted by olc:

everything is about the enemies AI aka the other racers that are not your team. if the AI loads "dumb" you and your team end up 1-2-3 if the enemy AI loads up "beserking" you end up last places. that is not a fun experience to have random AI settings for each race. or the AI is dumb and you defeat them with a single wisp, or the AI is beserking and will thrash you and your team mates just cause it can do so. for example i have seen perfect driving from the AI even giving several flips on the ramps on the game, with a precision no human can do and getting extra turbo boosts.

What's this "perfect driving" like? Do you have a video? I've played nearly 20 hours already and only in the first two hours did the AI destroy me once, because I was ♥♥♥♥. Now them being close to me when I win is very rare.

i am not refering to the story mode, i refer to the world cup where you play a set of tracks with your team. each race the AI capabilities is randomly loaded. no surprise if DENUVO is messing up there the AI. the sky road (or whatever is called the map that is on the sky and with glass roads) usually the AI thrashes you cause they use the wisps when you are on the sketchy sides or thin parts that a single wisp and make you fly your @$$ off the track. not to mention the stupid boost that is the all star renamed.

[Scarlet]

Originally posted by olc:

Originally posted by 2huScarletScythe:

What's this "perfect driving" like? Do you have a video? I've played nearly 20 hours already and only in the first two hours did the AI destroy me once, because I was ♥♥♥♥. Now them being close to me when I win is very rare.

i am not refering to the story mode, i refer to the world cup where you play a set of tracks with your team. each race the AI capabilities is randomly loaded. no surprise if DENUVO is messing up there the AI. the sky road (or whatever is called the map that is on the sky and with glass roads) usually the AI thrashes you cause they use the wisps when you are on the sketchy sides or thin parts that a single wisp and make you fly your @$$ off the track. not to mention the stupid boost that is the all star renamed.

Hmm, I don't get it that rough with the AI at all. If the AI truly is that way, I recommend playing any speed class with cranked up speed and boost. The AI stands absolutely no chance against such a loadout as long as you play well enough and try to cooperate with your team only when it'll fill the bar on the third lap, so they aren't idiots and use it early, leaving them near last place costing you the whole race. :^)

[olc]

Originally posted by 2huScarletScythe:

Originally posted by olc:

i am not refering to the story mode, i refer to the world cup where you play a set of tracks with your team. each race the AI capabilities is randomly loaded. no surprise if DENUVO is messing up there the AI. the sky road (or whatever is called the map that is on the sky and with glass roads) usually the AI thrashes you cause they use the wisps when you are on the sketchy sides or thin parts that a single wisp and make you fly your @$$ off the track. not to mention the stupid boost that is the all star renamed.

Hmm, I don't get it that rough with the AI at all. If the AI truly is that way, I recommend playing any speed class with cranked up speed and boost. The AI stands absolutely no chance against such a loadout as long as you play well enough and try to cooperate with your team only when it'll fill the bar on the third lap, so they aren't idiots and use it early, leaving them near last place costing you the whole race. :^)

i have had AI enemy racers using the boost once per lap.
and each team takes a turn to use it to leave me on the last position, me and my team. and if possible they hit me with it cause they are beserking.

[Scarlet]

Originally posted by olc:

Originally posted by 2huScarletScythe:

Hmm, I don't get it that rough with the AI at all. If the AI truly is that way, I recommend playing any speed class with cranked up speed and boost. The AI stands absolutely no chance against such a loadout as long as you play well enough and try to cooperate with your team only when it'll fill the bar on the third lap, so they aren't idiots and use it early, leaving them near last place costing you the whole race. :^)

i have had AI enemy racers using the boost once per lap.
and each team takes a turn to use it to leave me on the last position, me and my team. and if possible they hit me with it cause they are beserking.

Team Ultimate once each lap is possible yes, the AI oftenly uses 2 a race and rarely 3 and though I can manage usually, it's my teammates that cannot. You have to spend the whole race spamming items back and forth, but you can manage to combat it that way. Would recommend using the faster team ultimate meter bonus box for doing such, it helps immensely.

[MONZUN]

Originally posted by olc:

Originally posted by 2huScarletScythe:

What's this "perfect driving" like? Do you have a video? I've played nearly 20 hours already and only in the first two hours did the AI destroy me once, because I was ♥♥♥♥. Now them being close to me when I win is very rare.

i am not refering to the story mode, i refer to the world cup where you play a set of tracks with your team. each race the AI capabilities is randomly loaded. no surprise if DENUVO is messing up there the AI. the sky road (or whatever is called the map that is on the sky and with glass roads) usually the AI thrashes you cause they use the wisps when you are on the sketchy sides or thin parts that a single wisp and make you fly your @$$ off the track. not to mention the stupid boost that is the all star renamed.

WTF, maybe just get good ? on those grand prix, i'm beating the expert ai easily every single time o_O i even wanted to complain on the forum here ebcause the game is way too easy -.- expert mode in single races and grand prix feels like medium difficulty. its even easier than a class in transformed and s class was muuuuch harder...

strange thing though is on the first race in the story mode (i just started it today) its impossible to get first for me on hard difficulty. the 2 enemies that have green map icons (sry don'T know their names) are trashing me every time. i can't get to them even if i use all boots available (boost strips, lvl 3 drift boosts, lvl 3 stunt boots and boosts from wisps) :(

thats really strange regarding the story mode. but everywhere else expert ai is WAY too easy (and i don't have any car upgrades at all.. i'Ve not purchased any mod packages at all so far though i should do it because i've like 800 credits or something like that lol)

[Scarlet]

Originally posted by MONZUN:

Originally posted by olc:

i am not refering to the story mode, i refer to the world cup where you play a set of tracks with your team. each race the AI capabilities is randomly loaded. no surprise if DENUVO is messing up there the AI. the sky road (or whatever is called the map that is on the sky and with glass roads) usually the AI thrashes you cause they use the wisps when you are on the sketchy sides or thin parts that a single wisp and make you fly your @$$ off the track. not to mention the stupid boost that is the all star renamed.

WTF, maybe just get good ? on those grand prix, i'm beating the expert ai easily every single time o_O i even wanted to complain on the forum here ebcause the game is way too easy -.- expert mode in single races and grand prix feels like medium difficulty. its even easier than a class in transformed and s class was muuuuch harder...

strange thing though is on the first race in the story mode (i just started it today) its impossible to get first for me on hard difficulty. the 2 enemies that have green map icons (sry don'T know their names) are trashing me every time. i can't get to them even if i use all boots available (boost strips, lvl 3 drift boosts, lvl 3 stunt boots and boosts from wisps) :(

thats really strange regarding the story mode. but everywhere else expert ai is WAY too easy (and i don't have any car upgrades at all.. i'Ve not purchased any mod packages at all so far though i should do it because i've like 800 credits or something like that lol)

Dude same. First race expert is the only one I have severe issues with. On the Racing Transformed note, S class AI was agonizing as hell with how much they rubber-banded compared to this one, and how they all focus on you with items. Sure, it technically was harder, but I don't like losing because the AI literally decided my win or loss with their ♥♥♥♥.

[MONZUN]

Originally posted by 2huScarletScythe:

Originally posted by MONZUN:

WTF, maybe just get good ? on those grand prix, i'm beating the expert ai easily every single time o_O i even wanted to complain on the forum here ebcause the game is way too easy -.- expert mode in single races and grand prix feels like medium difficulty. its even easier than a class in transformed and s class was muuuuch harder...

strange thing though is on the first race in the story mode (i just started it today) its impossible to get first for me on hard difficulty. the 2 enemies that have green map icons (sry don'T know their names) are trashing me every time. i can't get to them even if i use all boots available (boost strips, lvl 3 drift boosts, lvl 3 stunt boots and boosts from wisps) :(

thats really strange regarding the story mode. but everywhere else expert ai is WAY too easy (and i don't have any car upgrades at all.. i'Ve not purchased any mod packages at all so far though i should do it because i've like 800 credits or something like that lol)

Dude same. First race expert is the only one I have severe issues with. On the Racing Transformed note, S class AI was agonizing as hell with how much they rubber-banded compared to this one, and how they all focus on you with items. Sure, it technically was harder, but I don't like losing because the AI literally decided my win or loss with their ♥♥♥♥.

looks like maybe its a bug and the devs made a balancing mistake here.. :(

[Scarlet]

Originally posted by MONZUN:

Originally posted by 2huScarletScythe:

Dude same. First race expert is the only one I have severe issues with. On the Racing Transformed note, S class AI was agonizing as hell with how much they rubber-banded compared to this one, and how they all focus on you with items. Sure, it technically was harder, but I don't like losing because the AI literally decided my win or loss with their ♥♥♥♥.

looks like maybe its a bug and the devs made a balancing mistake here.. :(

It's probably because the track is so basic and simple, the AI's rubber-banding has no way to be dealt with- other maps stunts and drifts can be done much more than the AI can manage. This was my same issue with the classic cup on Racing Transformed- they were all so basic the AI would keep up no matter what you did and it usually came down to whether you could break away from the pack last seconds or be simply lucky.