Nightshroud

[tx_g1150]

Issue with consistency.

Using Spirit of the Night, I killed an undamaged creature with an attack and did not gain credit for the battle goal.

While disarmed, I tried to use Spirit of the Night, and it would not let me target a creature to use the darkness so I could kill the creature.

So... is it a an attack or an ability on the card. The only thing that I can come up with, is because I need to target the creature to then activate the ability, that is what is causing this. However, I still feel this is not a correct implementation of the rules for one of the two situations above.

Thank you.

[Goilveig]

The TT community (including associates of Isaac) have come to the conclusion that cards that instantly kill are not attacks and can be used while disarmed.

[scott_smart2000]

If it's the one you pay to use the Darkness to outright kill a unit instead of the Attack 3, you can't use that while disarmed because all attack cards aren't allowed to be played. If it's the later one, or the 2 that the Brute has that are just "Kill a unit" with no other attack on it, you should be able to use that while disarmed.

[Goilveig]

Originally posted by scott_smart2000:

If it's the one you pay to use the Darkness to outright kill a unit instead of the Attack 3, you can't use that while disarmed because all attack cards aren't allowed to be played. If it's the later one, or the 2 that the Brute has that are just "Kill a unit" with no other attack on it, you should be able to use that while disarmed.

Both are allowed while disarmed per the official FAQ for tabletop:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1897763/official-faq-game-no-rules-questions-please

If an ability allows me to "kill" an enemy, is that considered an attack?
No, unless the ability says "attack," it is not an attack.

What if I consume an element to turn an attack action into a kill action?
So long as you consume the element and trigger only the kill effect, the word "instead" negates the attack, and it is no longer an attack.

[MrPyro]

Yeah, I think this is an interface bug. For the Nightshroud abilities, you play them as an attack then use the element to convert them into a kill ability; and the Disarm prevents you playing the attack first and so does not let you do the conversion. Should be allowed, so bug

The Executioner battle goal:

"Kill an undamaged monster with a single attack during the scenario."

So kill abilities are not eligible, as they are not attacks

[scott_smart2000]

This came up in the EA pre-campaign, and I'm pretty sure everyone on the board said the exact opposite of the FAQ because all attack cards are disabled, and you have to be able to play the attack to then switch it to the kill option. But clearly, if that's the FAQ from the designer then it is a bug that needs to be fixed. Not sure why none of the boardgame people on here brought that up in EA.