And now, the slow descent into oblivion. Dev team cannot pull this off?

[vic_viperman]

Trying to be as respectful as possible, but we are nearly 2 years in guys, i had concerns, but chose to support this anyway. I think the odds of the game fully releasing in a manner which is suitable to most Gloomhaven TT players is slim to none at this point.

I wish the devs the best, but i really hope the IP rights holder for Gloomhaven will allow a new dev at some point to take a stab at this if they so choose.

That is where i see all of this heading-- a flaming foul 1.0 release MAYBE in a year and in a state where no one is truly happy, not even the devs.

Hope i am wrong, i still wish for the best. At this point the best TT conversion to video game is probably Talisman and the best fully original boardgame in video game format is Billion Road here on steam. Sooooo, we really need a dev to step in and take up the mantle of competantly porting Tabletop games to video games where the crossover makes sense.

[The Supreme Lord Uber Biggie]

couple things. 1 the whole point of EA is supposed to be so that people can support a dev putting out a game that is not complete. Now unless you see real specifics listed about when they are going to have certain things done its kind of hard to say its to slow or they are focusing on the wrong things. Really the only thing I have complained about is the constant dc's making the game nearly unplayable.

2. People have paid money to play a game and I see more and more dev companies taking advantage of people helping them fund their game. My example is Mount and Blade 2. Been in EA for over a year now and all they have been doing for months is fix bugs but when they fix one bug they seem to create 5 more. That feels like a dev company that either doesn't know what its doing or is just crapping on its players because it can.

I don't see Gloomhaven's devs being jerks, they have put out new content and some people have seen stability improvements. I myself am waiting for a bit to play it again.

[[MOSS]-BurningUp]

Rust was in EA for many years it's one of the most played games on Steam now.

[1lostsoul]

My suggestion is to never purchase an EA game. Period. Never. As for this game I purchased as a gift for my roommate over a year ago and we have put in over 100 hours a play. I enjoy but I purchased it for the campaign mode. When you a game that is over 18 months in EA you should question it. My plan was to purchase it when it came out of EA. While I may still do that I am currently leaning to just purchasing Tabletop simulator and playing the board game version of it there with friends. That version of it also has a pretty active community base so you can generally find someone to play with.

[deadsanta]

MOSS-BurningUp eredeti hozzászólása:

Rust was in EA for many years it's one of the most played games on Steam now.

Asmodee is owned by a multibillion dollar holding company, PAI has a net worth of $13.5 BILLION. Rust was developed by Facepunch Studios, the owner has an estimated net worth of $5,000 ... t's a bit different, no?

[Stukov81-T.TV]

Asmodee is not the Developer though

[Vash(88)]

Les White eredeti hozzászólása:

vic_viperman eredeti hozzászólása:

Nice ignoring my points and moving the goalposts. How do you know everything?

He knows it because it's in your profile. It shows which games you own and how long you've played them.

You've put in a solid half an hour into this game, and are complaining about the state of it. I think it's a valid point...you do not know the state of it, because you are not even past the tutorial.

[deadsanta]

Stukov81-T.TV eredeti hozzászólása:

Asmodee is not the Developer though

It doesn't matter, they're the mega-publisher paying the bills. An "indie" developer is usually meant to be a small, self-funded or crowd-funded studio outside of the mainstream corporate umbrella. Working for Asmodee means they're none of that, except possibly small, but who knows how many folks Asmodee has working on this game in pods for PR, art, coding, etc, outside the country?

[Stukov81-T.TV]

Well if you would prefer an experiencee like with Phoenix Point okay. I prefer games being longer in Early Access. And to be honest Gloomhaven allready is more finished than many AAA finished titles

[Slow Dog]

deadsanta eredeti hozzászólása:

who knows how many folks Asmodee has working on this game in pods for PR, art, coding, etc, outside the country?

Other than PR, none. Asmodee aren't the developers.

[The Supreme Lord Uber Biggie]

Slow Dog eredeti hozzászólása:

deadsanta eredeti hozzászólása:

who knows how many folks Asmodee has working on this game in pods for PR, art, coding, etc, outside the country?

Other than PR, none. Asmodee aren't the developers.

Yes but if they fund the devs then the devs can hire better people, more people etc. They have more money to work with. I do really hate when people make excuses. If you like the game just say you like it or give legit reasons why you don't. Having a lot of money doesn't always make a dev good but it sure should help.

[scott_smart2000]

If you would understand how publishers and game developers worked and are completely different vs other businesses, it would help your argument. Asmodee wanted someone to make Gloomhaven to monetize their IP. They have 0 interest in hiring their own people and forming a studio in-house so they found a team that would do it. They gave them the IP and discussed timeframes and can provide some help like the original creator of the boardgame. That's it. Publishers don't just chuck an armored truck load of money willy-nilly, nor do they have a bunch of programmers, game designers, etc to give to them because again, THEY'D BE MAKING THE GAME if that's the case. Making games is completely different than most businesses which is why it's understandable you're using the standard model of production of almost everything else but very, very wrong.

Why you keep declaring that this game is an utter failure and a disgrace because it has been in EA for only a few years with a very, very, very clear and concise roadmap that they've held to along the way, just baffles me. The game in single-player has been incredibly stable with the only bugs I've run into in the 5 months of playing have been recent with them rushing to fix it and none were game-breaking. No saves becoming unplayable like most EA games. No just guessing when or if it comes out of EA. And on and on. Just never buy another EA game ever, ever, ever, ever because they're clearly not for you, which is fine btw. Constantly whining about buying an EA game when you actively don't understand how they work however, isn't fine. Criticizing w/valid points is fine, but you need way more understanding of things than you've demonstrated to be able to do so. All you're doing is whining and attacking anyone who points out where you're obviously wrong.

[The Supreme Lord Uber Biggie]

scott_smart2000 eredeti hozzászólása:

If you would understand how publishers and game developers worked and are completely different vs other businesses, it would help your argument. Asmodee wanted someone to make Gloomhaven to monetize their IP. They have 0 interest in hiring their own people and forming a studio in-house so they found a team that would do it. They gave them the IP and discussed timeframes and can provide some help like the original creator of the boardgame. That's it. Publishers don't just chuck an armored truck load of money willy-nilly, nor do they have a bunch of programmers, game designers, etc to give to them because again, THEY'D BE MAKING THE GAME if that's the case. Making games is completely different than most businesses which is why it's understandable you're using the standard model of production of almost everything else but very, very wrong.

Why you keep declaring that this game is an utter failure and a disgrace because it has been in EA for only a few years with a very, very, very clear and concise roadmap that they've held to along the way, just baffles me. The game in single-player has been incredibly stable with the only bugs I've run into in the 5 months of playing have been recent with them rushing to fix it and none were game-breaking. No saves becoming unplayable like most EA games. No just guessing when or if it comes out of EA. And on and on. Just never buy another EA game ever, ever, ever, ever because they're clearly not for you, which is fine btw. Constantly whining about buying an EA game when you actively don't understand how they work however, isn't fine. Criticizing w/valid points is fine, but you need way more understanding of things than you've demonstrated to be able to do so. All you're doing is whining and attacking anyone who points out where you're obviously wrong.

Wow settle down dude, first of all I myself have never said the game is an utter failure and I haven't seen anyone else say that either. What is an utter failure that shouldn't be for MANY people is their failure to stop the massive amounts of disconnects and yes that is on THEM. Now maybe you don't have this problem but the world does not revolve around you what affects other people matters as well. When people can't play the game because of getting DC'd all the time they get pissed an rightfully so. I actually think the game itself is good. I don't care that the campaign isn't done, I play when not getting dc'd all the time with my friends and enjoy the game. I get into it just in time to get dc'd and SORRY but that makes me not want to play. Now you go kiss more dev ass because you don't have the problems that many other people have.

[Stukov81-T.TV]

Maybe it is something with your internet connection? I have watched friends playing this game multiplayer on stream for hours without a single DC of any of them

[Shad]

Stukov81-T.TV eredeti hozzászólása:

Maybe it is something with your internet connection? I have watched friends playing this game multiplayer on stream for hours without a single DC of any of them

I'd rather said low performance computer. One of the friends I played with used to have a lot of desynch mainly after healing & others animations when we validated too fast.
He changed his graphic card (+ some patchs) and now it seldom happens.

Anyway, i have already played a lot of hours on this game so for me, even if they never deliver the campaign, the game have already been worth its cost.

[The Supreme Lord Uber Biggie]

Stukov81-T.TV eredeti hozzászólása:

Maybe it is something with your internet connection? I have watched friends playing this game multiplayer on stream for hours without a single DC of any of them

I appreciate the suggestion and again many people don't experience the problem but there are still a lot of us that do. My internet connection is fine. No problems like this with any other game. My computer is also very high end so that isn't it either.