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I think China Government doesn't like this DLC because they think it is likely to affect Chinese

I am worried that you have a serious ptsd . In fact ,everyone know the history in China. CCTV make a lot teleplay of this history .(This is why this game born)

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Shi Xie is the warlord of JiaoZhong.JiaoZhong includes Chinese Kwangtung Province , Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region and Viet .In fact,Viet is a part of China before it divides from China in 968 AD .But Viet is still a client state of China in ancient.

You sound as you are very knowledgable about Vietnamese history, maybe you are into Asian study ?
Shi Xie control JiaoZhou which Northern Vietnam are a part of. Those warlord before him submit to the Hans to gain title.
You are complete wrong about Northen Viet not realizable their national identity, and no, they don't look nothing like the Nan Man nor the Yue from the Chinese Warring Period.
I blame the Chinese generals Zhao Da for running away from China then conquering Southern China up to Guangzhou, then he realize his ancestor is in China and they promise to let he be king so as long as he paid tribute and handing over those provinces, he can do whatever he want. This is also the reason you won't find his statue nor tomb anywhere in Northern Vietnam even though he control it, they build his tomb somewhere in Guangzhou province. Later on, he submited to the Han.
Then Wu control the area after defeated Shi Hui. Then it was when the 2nd Viet rebellions started but not lasting long. Then after exchanging back and forth between those Zhong Yuan emperors, during the Five Dynasty Ten Kingdoms periods, the son of a local Viet officials name Ngo QUyen kills the governor of Jiao Zhi and defeated the kingdoms of Nam Han to gain independent from them in 938AD to name . His dynasty lasted through 968AD which another stronger Viet warlord called Dinh Bo Linh united all of 12 warlord of Northern Vietnam.
The reason why the independent gain didn't last long because of political reason, populations and not enough heroes to defend. After that gain of independent, it is like 3 kingdoms all over again as there are many capable generals and officials that can lead, and kill massive amount of troops hence the 3 Mongols invasion wasn't successful.
Also, the Viet aren't as war mongrel like the Northern tribes of Xiong Nu, or western Liao or else the Han wouldn't have any easy fight like when they have to quell the Xiong Nu.

hhhhh,just a little .After all ,thanks.But you ignore something:After the war, Chen Dynasty sent envoys to China to pay tribute to repair Yuan Dynasty, as a sign of submission. During the reign of VINH LE, a 15th century Vietnamese monarch named Chen Dynasty was usurped by a relative named Hồ Quý Ly, and the Hu regime was overthrown by China's Ming Dynasty at the request of a late Chen Dynasty. Ming army accordingly occupied Vietnam, set counties, Chengxuan Buzhengshi Department, once again a direct rule, that is, "Fourth Chinese domination of Vietnam. " .Vietnamese culture is still Chinese culture.

... miao is not a minority in east asia...miao is the indigenous and true landlord of east asia who existed more than 10 millions years ago before any tribes. San-Miao (Hmong) are both of essential and of historic significance to the present and future of the world, and the existence of their cultures and peoples of greater asia and southeast asia is important to humanity and to spirituality. Whereas the Hmong ChaoFa Indigenous Nation are the descendants of Hmong Great King Chi-You (Great Grand Father) and Joualidou (Juli Tribe) was his Kingdom in 2600 B.C., and San-Miao Kingdom (now called Southern China), and Prince Nraug Na and Princess Gao Youa were the founders of the Great Kingdom of Jars (now called Plain De Jars), in Xieng Khoung Province, Laos; - H.Res.992 Condemming the actions taken by the lao people democratic republic against the Hmong ChaoFa Indigenous people, and for other purposes.

Whereas the Hmong nation was allied with France during the French Indochina era for the French colonial empire from 1946 to 1954 under the command of Major Roger Trinquier;

Whereas the Hmong people also allied with Thailand and the United States as the frontline troops to stop the annexation and colonial occupation of the region from the Pathet Lao regime and the Vietcong-North Vietnam military in Laos during the Vietnam war era, about 1960–1975, where more than 40,000 Hmong lost their lives;

Whereas when Thailand and the United States withdrew their troops, the Hmong nation suffered from persecution and racial discrimination and were labeled as the enemy of the Pathet Lao or Lao People’s Democratic Republic (LPDR) and Vietnam because of the loss of thousands of lives and countless actions that were perpetrated by Thailand and the United States both in Laos and Vietnam during the Vietnam war era, 1960–1975;

Whereas the violent military campaign of the LDPR against the Hmong ChaoFa, who refused to flee the country or surrender to the government for fear of arrest or death that began in 1975, saw about 7,000 Hmong indigenous men, women, and children out of more than 100,000 Hmong ChaoFa forced from their villages to the rainforest in the Hmong ChaoFa State, Xaisomboun Special Zone, Northern Laos;

Whereas this campaign is ongoing and the Hmong ChaoFa continue to be hunted by the Lao military and Vietnamese mercenaries, and are now numbering less than 1,000, and are still living on leaves and roots, unable to farm in their nomadic situation;

Whereas eight United States Senators sent an urgent letter on May 16, 2008, to urge Secretary of State Rice to request Thailand’s Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej’s urgent help to stop the forced deportation of Hmong refugees in Huay Nam Khao and Nongkhai Detention Center, Thailand, back to Laos because the Hmong would face persecution by the LDPR;

Whereas by the rapid militarization of the Xaisomboum Special Zone, which seems to be an indication of a final eradication effort of the Hmong with the increasing density of military bases in the Phou Bia region and the deployment of occupying troops and heavy weapons, including tanks: Now, therefore, be it

Ty for the great collaboration, I love this channel, so much to learn about human history. As for the Nanman, they were subjugated but remained a constant pain in the ass for the Han empires, even to this very day.

One thing I'd like to add, is that the image of barbarian is incorrect. These were quite advanced civilizations for their time, with great metal smiths and ship builders that were able to dominate the seas of South East Asia and spread their influence far and wide.

The Han always emphasize non-Han as barbarians and will no doubt add fantastical elements and claim these peoples were savages lacking morals. However, as any historians know, rice farming on a mass scale requires co-operation and a civic structure, just as the Han themselves did.

Yes they went to war using beasts such as Elephants and Tigers (tamed), but these animals were readily available in the south lands. Their troops also wore the best metal armor and fought with the best metal weapons for their time. Not what you would think of as typical savages.

They lost to the Han because they were many tribes, not united into one nation for most of their history.

Thanks for this DLC. I am half Nanman for sure since my dad was from Guangdong/Guangxi border area. Baiyue history is not widely known or celebrated. Cantonese and Lingnan culture is a hybrid of ancient Han Chinese and Baiyue cultures. There's a reason why Cantonese sounds so similar to Vietnamese.

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I think China Government doesn't like this DLC because they think it is likely to affect Chinese

Yup, they thought of everyone else as barbarians. (I have a strange urge to Ooga Booga now)