is there a story?

[kcnue]

hey guys,

so, super interesting thing happened recently. i saw ancient warfare: han dynasty gameplay footage on youtube. while the game is not polished at all (graphically speaking) i was very intrigued by the fact that the game has a story campaign.

is there a story campaign in three kingdoms? i played over 100 hrs so far and i don't see a story campaign anywhere. am i missing something?

this strikes me as something very very interesting and something i would want! a story campaign in my total war games! cuz until now i saw total war as a sandbox game, but truthfully i would love a historical campaign! especially for three kingdoms!

what do you boys think?

[起风了]

Originally posted by kcnue:

Originally posted by elixE tneicnA:

It's called Dynasty Warriors...... :thronescoin:

i f*kn hate it, sorry man


i abhorre the combat system, the music, and the fact that the language is japanese. breaks the immersion to sh*t.

now, i don't hate japan at all, i love japan, but dynasty warriors and the sort is for me a travesty. they should've had the decency of making the language chinese. i also hate this bullsh*t feud that the 2 countries have!

like yeah have your feud, but keep it out of my games!

again, sorry if i offend anyone by saying this, but that's the way i feel!

Maybe you can wait for the company behind Black myth: Wukong to make a Three Kingdoms game. Considering that Journey to the West and Romance of The Three Kingdoms are both part of China's four Great classical novels, their development of a game about The Three Kingdoms is something to be expected. Piracy is rampant in China, and most game makers choose to make mobile games instead of focusing on AAA masterpiece.

[kcnue]

Originally posted by 起风了:

Originally posted by kcnue:

i f*kn hate it, sorry man


i abhorre the combat system, the music, and the fact that the language is japanese. breaks the immersion to sh*t.

now, i don't hate japan at all, i love japan, but dynasty warriors and the sort is for me a travesty. they should've had the decency of making the language chinese. i also hate this bullsh*t feud that the 2 countries have!

like yeah have your feud, but keep it out of my games!

again, sorry if i offend anyone by saying this, but that's the way i feel!

Maybe you can wait for the company behind Black myth: Wukong to make a Three Kingdoms game. Considering that Journey to the West and Romance of The Three Kingdoms are both part of China's four Great classical novels, their development of a game about The Three Kingdoms is something to be expected. Piracy is rampant in China, and most game makers choose to make mobile games instead of focusing on AAA masterpiece.

that would be awesome! and with how things are looking i think a three kingdoms chinese game is coming. and i think it might be everything i've ever dreamed of from a strategical standpoint too!

btw which are the other 2 classics? i've never heard of other writings.

[起风了]

Originally posted by kcnue:

Originally posted by 起风了:

Maybe you can wait for the company behind Black myth: Wukong to make a Three Kingdoms game. Considering that Journey to the West and Romance of The Three Kingdoms are both part of China's four Great classical novels, their development of a game about The Three Kingdoms is something to be expected. Piracy is rampant in China, and most game makers choose to make mobile games instead of focusing on AAA masterpiece.

that would be awesome! and with how things are looking i think a three kingdoms chinese game is coming. and i think it might be everything i've ever dreamed of from a strategical standpoint too!

btw which are the other 2 classics? i've never heard of other writings.

The Water Margin and the Dream of the Red Mansions
"Dream of the Red Mansions" : Centered on the love and marriage stories of Jia Baoyu, Lin Daiyu and Xue Baochai, it depicts the rise and fall of four great families, reflecting the state of the world at the end of feudal society.
"Water Margin" : At the end of the Northern Song Dynasty, Song Jiang and other 108 heroes rebelled in Liangshan, and then accepted the peace, the uprising failed.

[kcnue]

Originally posted by 起风了:

Originally posted by kcnue:

that would be awesome! and with how things are looking i think a three kingdoms chinese game is coming. and i think it might be everything i've ever dreamed of from a strategical standpoint too!

btw which are the other 2 classics? i've never heard of other writings.

The Water Margin and the Dream of the Red Mansions
"Dream of the Red Mansions" : Centered on the love and marriage stories of Jia Baoyu, Lin Daiyu and Xue Baochai, it depicts the rise and fall of four great families, reflecting the state of the world at the end of feudal society.
"Water Margin" : At the end of the Northern Song Dynasty, Song Jiang and other 108 heroes rebelled in Liangshan, and then accepted the peace, the uprising failed.

oh wait i actually have heard something about the second one

in the west it's called "outlaws of the marsh", did i lil google search

i saw this in a comic book series along with the three kingdoms and the monkey king. it was a series made in china. very beautifully illustrated too.

[起风了]

Originally posted by kcnue:

Originally posted by 起风了:

The Water Margin and the Dream of the Red Mansions
"Dream of the Red Mansions" : Centered on the love and marriage stories of Jia Baoyu, Lin Daiyu and Xue Baochai, it depicts the rise and fall of four great families, reflecting the state of the world at the end of feudal society.
"Water Margin" : At the end of the Northern Song Dynasty, Song Jiang and other 108 heroes rebelled in Liangshan, and then accepted the peace, the uprising failed.

oh wait i actually have heard something about the second one

in the west it's called "outlaws of the marsh"

This book is not very popular among the upper classes here because of the rebel element。As for a Dream of Red Mansions, the book is rather obscure. It is said to have been written by Ming Dynasty survivors in the Qing Dynasty, writing code words to remember their beloved Ming Dynasty. (The Qing Dynasty was a minority regime, so you can see it in a different light when you look at the series of treasonous treaties they signed. They only cared about whether their own throne was stable and whether the interests of their own nation were damaged rather than the interests of the whole country, but it must be admitted that the Qing Dynasty's monarchs were not stupid, but the beheading of Louis XVI made the emperor go to the other extreme of strengthening the absolute monarchy. In other words, the early emperors of the Qing Dynasty actually foresaw the disaster ahead early, but they were too selfish.)

[kcnue]

Originally posted by 起风了:

Originally posted by kcnue:

oh wait i actually have heard something about the second one

in the west it's called "outlaws of the marsh"

This book is not very popular among the upper classes here because of the rebel element。As for a Dream of Red Mansions, the book is rather obscure. It is said to have been written by Ming Dynasty survivors in the Qing Dynasty, writing code words to remember their beloved Ming Dynasty. (The Qing Dynasty was a minority regime, so you can see it in a different light when you look at the series of treasonous treaties they signed. They only cared about whether their own throne was stable and whether the interests of their own nation were damaged rather than the interests of the whole country, but it must be admitted that the Qing Dynasty's monarchs were not stupid, but the beheading of Louis XVI made the emperor go to the other extreme of strengthening the absolute monarchy. In other words, the early emperors of the Qing Dynasty actually foresaw the disaster ahead early, but they were too selfish.)

yeah i know nothing about that one! it's interesting you mention "the good of the whole country"

that's what i always appreciated about cao cao! even though he was ruthless, i think he truly loved his country!

after he beheaded his old friend and comrade and the friend said "my country, my beautiful country" right before getting beheaded and cao cao repeated those words afterwards, that was very touching.

[起风了]

Originally posted by kcnue:

Originally posted by 起风了:

This book is not very popular among the upper classes here because of the rebel element。As for a Dream of Red Mansions, the book is rather obscure. It is said to have been written by Ming Dynasty survivors in the Qing Dynasty, writing code words to remember their beloved Ming Dynasty. (The Qing Dynasty was a minority regime, so you can see it in a different light when you look at the series of treasonous treaties they signed. They only cared about whether their own throne was stable and whether the interests of their own nation were damaged rather than the interests of the whole country, but it must be admitted that the Qing Dynasty's monarchs were not stupid, but the beheading of Louis XVI made the emperor go to the other extreme of strengthening the absolute monarchy. In other words, the early emperors of the Qing Dynasty actually foresaw the disaster ahead early, but they were too selfish.)

yeah i know nothing about that one! it's interesting you mention "the good of the whole country"

that's what i always appreciated about cao cao! even though he was ruthless, i think he truly loved his country!

after he beheaded his old friend and comrade and the friend said "my country, my beautiful country" right before getting beheaded and cao cao repeated those words afterwards, that was very touching.

Yes.And Cao Cao's identity had a dual nature;initially,he intended to restore the Han Dynasty and was loyal and dedicated.However,when he saw that the Han Dynasty was on the brink of collapse,he was then labeled as a treacherous minister.The"Yi Dai Zhao"incident was the main reason for his transition from a loyal minister to a rebel(during the late Eastern Han Dynasty,Emperor Xian,Liu Xie,secretly gave Dong Cheng a belt with an edict written on it,instructing him to kill Cao Cao).

[kcnue]

Originally posted by 起风了:

Originally posted by kcnue:

yeah i know nothing about that one! it's interesting you mention "the good of the whole country"

that's what i always appreciated about cao cao! even though he was ruthless, i think he truly loved his country!

after he beheaded his old friend and comrade and the friend said "my country, my beautiful country" right before getting beheaded and cao cao repeated those words afterwards, that was very touching.

Yes.And Cao Cao's identity had a dual nature;initially,he intended to restore the Han Dynasty and was loyal and dedicated.However,when he saw that the Han Dynasty was on the brink of collapse,he was then labeled as a treacherous minister.The"Yi Dai Zhao"incident was the main reason for his transition from a loyal minister to a rebel(during the late Eastern Han Dynasty,Emperor Xian,Liu Xie,secretly gave Dong Cheng a belt with an edict written on it,instructing him to kill Cao Cao).

idk the real history, but in the 2010 tv series he is portrayed as being smart and strong, while the emperor was pathetic and arrogant.

so he used the carcass of dying han dynasty (the emperor) to restore the peace and make a new dynasty. from what i know he didn;t achieve that, but someone from the sima yi's clan did so later after cao cao's death.

[起风了]

Originally posted by kcnue:

Originally posted by 起风了:

Yes.And Cao Cao's identity had a dual nature;initially,he intended to restore the Han Dynasty and was loyal and dedicated.However,when he saw that the Han Dynasty was on the brink of collapse,he was then labeled as a treacherous minister.The"Yi Dai Zhao"incident was the main reason for his transition from a loyal minister to a rebel(during the late Eastern Han Dynasty,Emperor Xian,Liu Xie,secretly gave Dong Cheng a belt with an edict written on it,instructing him to kill Cao Cao).

idk the real history, but in the 2010 tv series he is portrayed as being smart and strong, while the emperor was pathetic and arrogant.

so he used the carcass of dying han dynasty (the emperor) to restore the peace and make a new dynasty. from what i know he didn;t achieve that, but someone from the sima yi's clan did so later after cao cao's death.

Cao Cao never chose to declare himself emperor throughout his life. On one hand, he still had feelings for the Han Dynasty (a secondary reason), and on the other hand, if he were to declare himself emperor, he would be seen as a rebel by people all over the world. His son forced Emperor Xian of Han to abdicate in favor of himself.
The interplay between the emperor's authority and the prime minister's influence has long been a subject of intense debate in the annals of ancient China. Historically, there was a prevailing trend where the rise of absolutism corresponded with the consolidation of imperial power and the concurrent dilution of the prime minister's authority, culminating in the eventual abolition of the prime ministerial role during the Ming Dynasty.
Cao Cao, under the guise of Emperor Xian of Han, commanded the realm as the prime minister of the Han Dynasty, breaking the traditional power structure between imperial and chancellor authority, thereby highlighting the chancellor's power. His presence provided necessary political protection for Emperor Xian, allowing him to maintain the title of emperor amidst a turbulent era. Cao Cao and Emperor Xian established a new model of interaction between ruler and minister, one in which they were interdependent and mutually exploitative. Despite their fundamentally different interests and occasional frictions, the common ground that sustained their relationship was unshakable.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by kcnue:

is there a story campaign in three kingdoms? i played over 100 hrs so far and i don't see a story campaign anywhere. am i missing something?

The whole point of Total War games is that YOU make your own story. Every game you start turns out differently. Who will win? Who will betray? Which factions will contest which areas? Who will be the 3 emps? etc.

You write your characters stories here, and decide who the characters are. Thats the point.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

The "story campaign" is told by the events that pop up at the start of your campaign. It'll usually have something like "follow the story..." or an alternative option. Sun Jian for example will give you the option of doing the story thing of getting yourself killed in an ambush, or waiting with your troops.

They're just little written events, but they do help inform what the characters' situations were at the start of the year you've selected.

Totally with you on Dynasty Warriors too. I loved that game when I was 12, but have long since grown out of it.

[TheOrangeBox]

Originally posted by kcnue:

Originally posted by TheOrangeBox:

well you kinda play a story campaign with different starting dates and Heroes, so having a linear story mode wouldn't fit the TW game mechanics. You'll need to have a traditional 'game over' every time you wouldn't be able to defeat the enemy or unable to complete a scenarios.

yeah exactly! wouldn't it be awesome to have a lil campaign story, where you play as different characters throughout a timeline, to show the different situations and stuff like that?

maybe 10 levels, idk. just to showcase the historical setting

but you do.
you've a huge selection of heroes and the DLCs that add a different starting point in time so you're actually role playing a story as it unfolds.

Why do you want to have an inferior product where you need to clear a linear gameplay levels?