Nanman are WAY overpowered

[TAKEDA 🔴 SHINGEN]

Not sure what is the reason of this, but it is crazy how much stronger they are (data wise with auto-battle) and how they keep spawning armies, and the reach of they armies and so on. Hope this will get some tuning in future updates.

[ShadowLioncourt]

You finding this with a Liu Yan/Zhang campaign by any chance? I kind of felt the same vibe when playing as that faction. I felt like I was dedicating an awful lot of costly units/double banners just to keep them at bay.

Not something I had experienced beforehand with them, however I never played a faction that was that close to them before (That wasn't them)

[Siodog]

No not really they are actually on my experience pretty weak, their strength relays on Nanman lands if you get there with standard troops you will get rekt easily due to fatigue and forest buffs they get

[TAKEDA 🔴 SHINGEN]

Originally posted by ShadowLioncourt:

You finding this with a Liu Yan/Zhang campaign by any chance? I kind of felt the same vibe when playing as that faction. I felt like I was dedicating an awful lot of costly units/double banners just to keep them at bay.

Not something I had experienced beforehand with them, however I never played a faction that was that close to them before (That wasn't them)

Not at all, I was playing with Cao Cao, nearing the end of the campaign. I had 36 armies and just to keep them at bay I needed at least 6 or 7 armies. Everytime I defeated them, they came back the next turn with 2 or 3 full armies, I was like... what the actual f-word. After fighting them, I have to keep my armies at home to replenish them, but like i said, the next, they had full armies. So I was able to conquer the Nanman when I finished Wu kingdom, with like 15 armies. I streamrolled them and destroyed them, but I can only imagine the nightmare of going to war with them as a starting nation and neighbour. T_T

[rwhill42]

Nanman are much stronger in auto resolve than on the field.
They are extremely vulnerable to fire, so make sure you have archers with flaming arrows or equivalent artillery. Their morale will just disappear. Adding a few flame cannons before moving south isn't a bad idea.

My biggest issue was how certain nanman generals are borderline unkillable. But route the rest of the army and eventually they will too. Mostly the unique lords.

I felt they were op too, but once you go pyro on them, they're a pushover.

[Nero]

What I hate about them is that you're kinda forced to invade them when you neighbour them and its such a chore to do so. You don't gain much from it either. As a close starting faction it drains your ressources to dedicate armies to that task.

Other times they don't bother you at all. Owning Nanman land makes them come after you thou for the fealty of the tribe.

[ShadowLioncourt]

Originally posted by Snicked:

What I hate about them is that you're kinda forced to invade them when you neighbour them and its such a chore to do so. You don't gain much from it either. As a close starting faction it drains your ressources to dedicate armies to that task.

Other times they don't bother you at all. Owning Nanman land makes them come after you thou for the fealty of the tribe.

This is what makes the Liu Yan starting position quite the challenge. Everytime I focus on them (keeping Zhang Lu/Ma Teng sweet in the interim) I find that by the time I am making good progress, Liu Biao is after me and Yuan Shao has vassalised 50% of the map!

Yuan Shao always ends up being a really pain to me when playing a faction that cannot subdue him from being close enough to do so.

[Benavert]

They luckily aren't too hard to fight in actual battles, but it feels pretty stupid that I'm forced to fight out every battle manually because I otherwise get too many casaulties. During my Shi Xie campaign I got attacked by *three* of them and whenever I'd smack one of their armies they can almost instantly recruit another one.

I personally use a mixture of bowmen/crossbowmen and a few charging cavalry to deal with them. Shoot them from afar and they will either vaporise or they will change their formations to loose, after which you can use hit-and-run tactics with cavalry. Eventually they will be beaten up so much that by the time they reach your lines you can envelop and annihilate them with minimal casaulties.

[EmotionallyBroken]

arent they like vietnamese? Why are they even in the game?

[TAKEDA 🔴 SHINGEN]

You don't know anything about the Three Kingdoms era?

[forumcrybaby]

Originally posted by TAKEDA 🔴 SHINGEN:

Not sure what is the reason of this, but it is crazy how much stronger they are (data wise with auto-battle) and how they keep spawning armies, and the reach of they armies and so on. Hope this will get some tuning in future updates.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2270499593

There you go problem solved.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by TAKEDA 🔴 SHINGEN:

You don't know anything about the Three Kingdoms era?

I know vietnam wasnt one of the 3 kingdoms

[rwhill42]

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Originally posted by TAKEDA 🔴 SHINGEN:

You don't know anything about the Three Kingdoms era?

I know vietnam wasnt one of the 3 kingdoms

That region was colonized by China during the period. In the Three Kingdoms novel, the version of the nanman we see in the game had a major part in later years with Zhuge Liangs conquest of the region and subjugation of Meng Huo. They were in the book as a major campaign series, so they are in the game.

The Man were mostly assimilated by the Han.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanman#History

The Yue people are credited with founding Vietnam, though that is a much larger term that I believe included the Man people. Its a bit unclear to me where the boundary is, but it seems the Yue were the many collected southern tribes while the Man were just one ethnic group. The man were assimilated, but other groups later rebelled and founded their own kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue

[Poljanan]

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Originally posted by TAKEDA 🔴 SHINGEN:

You don't know anything about the Three Kingdoms era?

I know vietnam wasnt one of the 3 kingdoms

The nanman were featured prominently in RoTK.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by rwhill42:

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

I know vietnam wasnt one of the 3 kingdoms

That region was colonized by China during the period. In the Three Kingdoms novel, the version of the nanman we see in the game had a major part in later years with Zhuge Liangs conquest of the region and subjugation of Meng Huo. They were in the book as a major campaign series, so they are in the game.

The Man were mostly assimilated by the Han.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanman#History

The Yue people are credited with founding Vietnam, though that is a much larger term that I believe included the Man people. Its a bit unclear to me where the boundary is, but it seems the Yue were the many collected southern tribes while the Man were just one ethnic group. The man were assimilated, but other groups later rebelled and founded their own kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue

Originally posted by Poljanan:

The nanman were featured prominently in RoTK.

Oh, so thats why they're in game.

I havnt gotten to that part in the story yet. Its quite fascinating to see mentions of gunpowder weapons O_o , I kind of want ot sto preading ot avoid spoilers . xD

Thank you both of you for sharing , and whil for elaborating. I really didnt see how they fit in at all, they seem so out of place, now I know how they're part of the game.

[TAKEDA 🔴 SHINGEN]

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Originally posted by rwhill42:

That region was colonized by China during the period. In the Three Kingdoms novel, the version of the nanman we see in the game had a major part in later years with Zhuge Liangs conquest of the region and subjugation of Meng Huo. They were in the book as a major campaign series, so they are in the game.

The Man were mostly assimilated by the Han.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanman#History

The Yue people are credited with founding Vietnam, though that is a much larger term that I believe included the Man people. Its a bit unclear to me where the boundary is, but it seems the Yue were the many collected southern tribes while the Man were just one ethnic group. The man were assimilated, but other groups later rebelled and founded their own kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue

Originally posted by Poljanan:

The nanman were featured prominently in RoTK.

Oh, so thats why they're in game.

I havnt gotten to that part in the story yet. Its quite fascinating to see mentions of gunpowder weapons O_o , I kind of want ot sto preading ot avoid spoilers . xD

Thank you both of you for sharing , and whil for elaborating. I really didnt see how they fit in at all, they seem so out of place, now I know how they're part of the game.

Well the game do not really portray them accurately, so that could be one of the reason why they seem so out of place. The look they have in the games, they are like typical uncivilised barbarians, but it wasn't the case. Yeah socialy speaking they were more tribal, but nothing near what the game suggest.