Mandate of Heaven - coup not triggering

[Fedup]

As the title says, the coup Dong Zhou launched didn't trigger for me again in this (new MoH) campaign. I am playing the Prince of the Han (forget his name, the cousin of the Emperor that starts with Chen and another Commandery).

The emperor is murdered. <== I saved here as I am aware that this is a not uncommon thing.
Empress He takes over.
And that's it. Dong Zhuo doesn't take over in this playthrough.

Should I load back to the murder of the Emperor?
I do not think the "coup not happening" is a bug to be honest. I think it is actually a possible situation where Empress He keeps control. I am saying this because Empress He (in a previous playthrough where the event didn't fire) was kicking out Han vassals one by one each turn till only half of us remained.

That one was an interesting playthrough... until the Emperor became an adult and started grabbing my land for the lulz, leaving me with the options of either getting out of the Empire that I planned on restoring, or losing my land to the Emperor whenever he felt like it.

Anyway, back to my problem:
It seems to me that for Dong Zhuo to launch his coup, there are certain conditions, not chance. Things like "Dong Zhuo having X or more armies!" or "The Empire having X problem!" etc.
So, I am asking whether anyone has any concrete knowledge or at least strong indication of what is required for the coup to fire.

I don't want to play those coup turns several times only to find out that in this playthrough, the coup can't happen. I am doing some serious maneuvering to finally trap and eliminate a Yellow Turban traveling guy, the healer dude. It was a miracle that I managed it the first time, tempting him to come close enough for me to hit him with enough movement to chase after his remnants afterwards.

I also don't want to start aaaaall over from the beginning again!

[panderusw]

LOL, you have really bad luck.

Maybe try install these 2 mod (bug fix mod) and reload back to older save, and see if it help

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2423136085

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2281892119

I am just speculate here, but I do know the game assign a "growth" rate for all AI factions every single new game. Especially for dominant factions like Liu Bei, Dong Zhuo,,,etc, I guess it for random sandbox experiences.

Take MOH Liu Bei as example, most time, the game assign an average "growth" rate for his factions, and you can see he just hold his ground under the constant siege of the 3 Zhang Brothers, but once in a while, he just get wipe in 15 turns, or he went Super Saiyan, and took out 1 brother all by himself. I guess both of you game, Dong Zhuo get assign a really low "growth"rate, and the game decide to go Empress He route instead.


Edit:
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Wanted to add a little more info,

The MOH Han Empire alliance is a "pay to play" model. Take a look at your treasury tab, you will see a tribute entry. You have to pay the Han Dynasty every turn, the emperor took everyone tribute, keep a big cut, and redistribute what left back to alliance members.

As the empress start kicking factions off, you are paying more as there are less contributing member. In a sense, it is better to get kick off rather than leave, leaving often time will make other alliance members hate you, including the big boss, and she is so close to your home base, it is not a good look...lol

I found this out when I am still new to the game, after Empress He kick 3 members off in a turn, my treasury suddenly in the red. I went over my treasury tab and found out I am paying 3k triibute.

[Fedup]

????
I am making money so far from the Empire. Of course, I am right at the point where He is kicking out members. But in the previous playthrough, where I went all the way to Emperor kid becoming Emperor, I was getting money from the Empire even when we had like half the members. And since the Emperor was going around and getting a lot of territories, I was making MORE money.

[Fedup]

About those bug-fix mods. Thanks. First, I prefer the game in English, so the 2nd one is not for me I guess. Second, I don't think the Empress He thing is a bug, so I am not sure it will happen.

Mostly, I want to know if I load back to when the Emperor dies whether the coup would happen or I have to restart the campaign.

[panderusw]

The second bug fix mod is in the background, does not change the language of the game,.

Please don't take it the wrong way, I think the Dong Zhuo script fire or not is actually matter not much to you. You want to restore the han, beside playing Liu Bei, I am not even sure Liu Chong can do it.

Dong Zhuo script fire,
-- alliance dissolved, you fighting the YT alone. Also, you are in danger some random faction declare war on you.
-- Dong Zhuo take over Liu Hong land, including Luoyang, and Dong Zhuo at turn 40ish, does not have the might to defend it. (3 zhang winning condition is 51? province + own Luoyang)
-- Restore the han, (not very sure), But I think if you can become very strong, beat Dong Zhuo into submission, and vassalize him , then annex him, Do all this BEFORE Liu Xie turn 16(around turn 86ish) while fighting the YT.

Dong Zhuo script does not fire,
-- You stay in alliance with some member, fight the YT(at least you and empress HE). Very little risk someone will declare war on you. Declare war on you mean declare war on every member of the alliance.

-- Empress He still has the DOOM stack of imperial army defending Luoyang. Without luoyang, the zhang brother cannot win.

-- Con will be, Empress He will keep annex land, (maybe yours but definitely Han empire's land) and when three kingdom event start(when you declare king), Empress He/Liu Bian will be one of the three kingdom by default, and they might be pretty big to take down.

So, Restore the Han in MOH campaign just too much of a hassle. You can do that in any other start date.

[Fedup]

Is there a mod or script to kill or remove the baby Liu Xie from the Emperor's family? It seems that baby's actual existence is the issue.

[Nat]

If you are really desperate for it, I think the confederation event between Dong Zhou and Ding Yuan has an effect on this event. When you start your campaign, abandon Chen, (yingchuan has garrison so is ok) and run up to Ding Yuan. Kill Zhang Yans army when he spawns and the games events will trigger fine. Zhang Yan is the issue, he wipes Ding Yuan before Dong confederates him.

[Fedup]

Thank you, but this time the event triggered fine. I loaded a few turns earlier and all went peachy. After all I had made mistakes there.
Honestly, the answer to tons of cash and power for me was to ignore the North and hit Yuan Shao to the South, the moment he proclaimed himself emperor with everything I had while he was fighting someone else. He did give me a bit of a fight, but my attack took him by surprise and never regained the momentum. Now I am swimming in cash.