Dueling is really stupid

[trstnhn]

Lu Bu just lost a duel against some no name scholar of low level.

Let me emphasize that a little: A NO NAME, LOW LEVEL, SCHOLAR.

Lu Bu took this scholar's health down to 10% HP and all of a sudden she became a super saiyan and stopped taking damage. She hit my Lu Bu, who had 90% HP, 2~3 times and he died.

I couldn't believe my eyes on what just happened! She also mysteriously gained this buff that read 1900% charge resistance.

Okay, no more duels for me.

[Poljanan]

If I have to guess, it's because she went on rage because a nearby family member or oathsworn died.

[trstnhn]

Nope, no one died. The duel started in the very beginning of the fight and Lu Bu was the first to fall as the result. Even if it is what you said, which it isn't, very stupid mechanic.

[Epic The Incandescent]

Originally posted by Dopekkebi:

Nope, no one died. The duel started in the very beginning of the fight and Lu Bu was the first to fall as the result. Even if it is what you said, which it isn't, very stupid mechanic.

not really, ive had lubu butt ♥♥♥♥ generals stronger then him and ive had him die to one of my veteran scholars. Try to pay attention to more then the characters name, their class and subclass have a serious impact on the unit's fighting abilities as well as the kit they are wearing cna actually make a generic basic ♥♥♥♥♥ general more powerful then named ones.

But ya usually I dont duel unless its a huge advantage, usually I just stab the generals with a thousand spears or bury them in screaming yellow turban fanatics.

[Makaveli]

scholars cant fight... also many factors determine duels gear, skills, passive buffs, oathsworn buff ect which sends them beserk. 1900% charge resistance probably done sweet fa since your in a duel and not actualy being charged...

[Fried Noodles]

Originally posted by darrentan69:

scholars cant fight... also many factors determine duels gear, skills, passive buffs, oathsworn buff ect which sends them beserk. 1900% charge resistance probably done sweet fa since your in a duel and not actualy being charged...

Scholars absolutely can fight. They are meant to duel other generals but are weaker against armies.

He Man, The Most Powerful, is an example of the Scholar class.

You're probably thinking of Strategists.

Scholars tend to have extremely high melee evasion as they're built more like Strategists than Champions. And Lu Bu is not really meant to be a duelist in Total War, being a Vanguard.

Yellow Turbans are also big-time team players. Every single general in a Yellow Turban army can give a powerful circular aura that'd boost stats of allies (even those in duels). And their activated buffs also positively effect duelists.

[Mr.MM]

P.S Don't duel a healer if you cannot kill them fast

[Fais]

Originally posted by Poljanan:

If I have to guess, it's because she went on rage because a nearby family member or oathsworn died.

even if enraged, there is no way the scholar is going to deal more damage than Lu Bu, or get more stats than Lu Bu, i mean its a unknown scholar enraging, not Guan Yu or Zhang Fei.

Originally posted by Mr.MM:

P.S Don't duel a healer if you cannot kill them fast

its damn Lu Bu, he surely can 1 shot people sometimes out of nowhere, with his enrage buff.



but yeah, i hate how Lu Bu is treated in duels, this game that is supposed to be fun around Lu Bu being very overpowered, with you, or against you, he is still strong though, but not as what i expected, especially in duels.

we are talking about a guy who dueled "in the novels" 2 strongest general in china and gave them a beating "Guan Yu and Zhang Fei" until Liu Bei interfered.

[woodhawk109]

So apparently there might be a bug with Lu Bu's smouldering fury skill. That skill where he gains a bunch of attacks but gets -100% evasion at the end phase.

Apparently, the negative evasion is not a multiplier, but a flat decrease, that means that if your Lu Bu's base melee evasion is say 50%, instead of becoming 0% at phase 4, it becomes -50% instead.

Why is this a problem? Because for some reason, there's a bug where if a hero has negative evasion in a duel, his missed attacks will hit himself.

So the reason why Lu Bu keep losing to some generic no names is because he's simply too strong that his attacks hits himself when he missed. This became much more of a problem when he duels against those with high evasion, as he missed more often, which equates to him hitting himself and killing himself in the process. The other guy didn't have to do anything.

This explains why at the beginnin your Lu Bu was winning but by the end he died in 5 seconds to a 10% health generic. At that point, Lu Bu's skill reached final phase where he has negative evasion, so he basically two-shotted himself in confusion. Now that's going into the "Lu Bu is strong but is also really stupid" lore

Strangely enough, I don't think that bug happens outside of duels, at least it's not noticeable where Lu Bu suddenly two-shot himself

This also explains why Xu Chu is such an OP duelist and can solo 8 Lu Bu and defeat sentinels with high evasions easily because his special melee attack (Earth Shattering Strike) has a flat -100% melee evasion. So When dueling against Xu Chu, the other general will also starts hitting themselves

[Poljanan]

Originally posted by Fais:

Originally posted by Poljanan:

If I have to guess, it's because she went on rage because a nearby family member or oathsworn died.

even if enraged, there is no way the scholar is going to deal more damage than Lu Bu, or get more stats than Lu Bu, i mean its a unknown scholar enraging, not Guan Yu or Zhang Fei.

Because based from OP, I was assuming that Lu Bu himself was already below half health when the scholar healed himself thanks to the enrage buff. Lu Bu in the campaign hilariously cannot duel for more than once.

[Fais]

Originally posted by Poljanan:

Originally posted by Fais:

even if enraged, there is no way the scholar is going to deal more damage than Lu Bu, or get more stats than Lu Bu, i mean its a unknown scholar enraging, not Guan Yu or Zhang Fei.

Because based from OP, I was assuming that Lu Bu himself was already below half health when the scholar healed himself thanks to the enrage buff. Lu Bu in the campaign hilariously cannot duel for more than once.

even if Lu Bu is 20% health, he cant fall to a random yellow turban scholar, can argue known characters with special weapons, but a random char with bad weapon that barely hits for 200 meanwhile Lu Bu have high armor on top of special weapon with insane dmg and enrage buff 400%, Lu Bu should wipe the floor with him instantly since he hits hard for him to overheal it.

but if that melee evasion reflect bug is true as what the good guy said, then it need fixing asap.

[Makaveli]

Originally posted by Fried Noodles:

Originally posted by darrentan69:

scholars cant fight... also many factors determine duels gear, skills, passive buffs, oathsworn buff ect which sends them beserk. 1900% charge resistance probably done sweet fa since your in a duel and not actualy being charged...

Scholars absolutely can fight. They are meant to duel other generals but are weaker against armies.

He Man, The Most Powerful, is an example of the Scholar class.

You're probably thinking of Strategists.

Scholars tend to have extremely high melee evasion as they're built more like Strategists than Champions. And Lu Bu is not really meant to be a duelist in Total War, being a Vanguard.

Yellow Turbans are also big-time team players. Every single general in a Yellow Turban army can give a powerful circular aura that'd boost stats of allies (even those in duels). And their activated buffs also positively effect duelists.

i have never seen a scholar class then. just stratergist, champions, vanguards, sentinals , and commanders. unless your talking about their personal traits like hunter ect

[Poljanan]

Scholars are a yellow turban general type.

[Makaveli]

Originally posted by Poljanan:

Scholars are a yellow turban general type.

ahh ok thanks =)

[Budoshi]

The problem is that Lu Bu s overrated

[Fried Noodles]

Originally posted by Budoshi:

The problem is that Lu Bu s overrated

Lu Bu perfectly lives up to his hype as long as you use him correctly.
He's a Vanguard in Total War, and his abilities grant him efficient and powerful splashing damage.
He's meant to charge and destroy entire armies, not engage in duels with 1v1 specialists.