Legendary Character lifespan is way too low

[CephasPetros]

halfway conquering China. GuanYu passed away. Seriously?

[RCMidas]

Yup. You'd be lucky to hit your 50s or 60s in that era, when most of your adult life has been spent exerting yourself and stressing your body to the breaking point in one of the bloodiest ancient wars of all times.

[Starbuc3]

Yes, disappointing as it seems. use the do not die by old age mod.

[StevoTheOutlaw]

It wouldn't be so bad if legendary families and lineages meant something, so Guan Ping, or whatever kid he had was there to pick up the torch and carry on in his fathers footsteps.

Instead we don't have legendary family lines :(

[Arima]

Originally posted by StevoTheOutlaw:

It wouldn't be so bad if legendary families and lineages meant something, so Guan Ping, or whatever kid he had was there to pick up the torch and carry on in his fathers footsteps.

Instead we don't have legendary family lines :(

There is family tree for both legendary and ordinary officers, they just dont shows up like the ruling family

[Haddon]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Yup. You'd be lucky to hit your 50s or 60s in that era, when most of your adult life has been spent exerting yourself and stressing your body to the breaking point in one of the bloodiest ancient wars of all times.

If you got past 15, you were likely to live to your 60's. 60's isn't abnormal in the slightest. People even lived to 70's and occasionally 80's. Sima Yi lived to like 70. Average Life Expectancy IS NOT longevity.

[StevoTheOutlaw]

Originally posted by Arima:

Originally posted by StevoTheOutlaw:

It wouldn't be so bad if legendary families and lineages meant something, so Guan Ping, or whatever kid he had was there to pick up the torch and carry on in his fathers footsteps.

Instead we don't have legendary family lines :(

There is family tree for both legendary and ordinary officers, they just dont shows up like the ruling family

And it is absolutely worthless, because there is nothing unique about being part of a legendary family. Guan Yu's children have none of his looks or traits, you may as well be playing with General 13094

And in fact, there is little incentive or point to using said children, because you have generals in your army already that look identical to them, but who are of a higher level and have been with your forces longer.

At least if they looked a little like Guan, or inherited a trait/ability or two it would be worthwhile to train them up.

[RCMidas]

Originally posted by Haddon:

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Yup. You'd be lucky to hit your 50s or 60s in that era, when most of your adult life has been spent exerting yourself and stressing your body to the breaking point in one of the bloodiest ancient wars of all times.

If you got past 15, you were likely to live to your 60's. 60's isn't abnormal in the slightest. People even lived to 70's and occasionally 80's. Sima Yi lived to like 70. Average Life Expectancy IS NOT longevity.

Bearing in mind you're usually talking about people that never saw the front line of combat, had the best available "healthcare" of the era, and did not actually have to work for a living. Your average peasant was NOT so lucky as Sima Yi.

[Haddon]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Originally posted by Haddon:

If you got past 15, you were likely to live to your 60's. 60's isn't abnormal in the slightest. People even lived to 70's and occasionally 80's. Sima Yi lived to like 70. Average Life Expectancy IS NOT longevity.

Bearing in mind you're usually talking about people that never saw the front line of combat, had the best available "healthcare" of the era, and did not actually have to work for a living. Your average peasant was NOT so lucky as Sima Yi.

The average peasant that lived to adulthood didn't live to 70, sure, but still many of them did. And definitely many, MANY of them lived to their 50's and 60's. People think ancient people were dying off in droves in their 30's and 40's, because Life Expectancy is generally mid-30's to low 40's in pre-industrialized pre-modern populations, and that simply isn't the case. If you lived to adulthood, regardless of your socio-economic class, you were likely to live to your 50's. Though, in this period that likelihood was a bit lower given the wars, and more importantly famines, living to your 50's or even 60's was not AT ALL unusual. Literally every single person in China would know someone who lived to their 60's.
As to your "did not actually have to work for a living", that is preposterous; most of these feudal lords and their officers absolutely did work for a living. Their work was soldiery.
And while the Three Kingdoms period was one of the deadliest eras of Chinese history, that wasn't because the wars were so bloody, but because of a series of famines in the 170's and early 180's which led to agrarian revolt which lead to the wars leading up to the Three Kingdoms, in turn leaving far fewer peasants working the land than was needed to feed the massive population. Because of a lack of centralization, there was no authority to force local warlords to have their peasants working the land rather than in-fighting, compounding the initial problems. This continued to snowball throughout the whole period; starvation was the deadliest part of the Three Kingdoms period.

[Aryvian]

Guan Yu didn't live longer than "halfway conquering China" in reality either so what are you whining about?
Characters are not supposed to live through an entire campaign, that's what marriage and children are for.

[Doctor G]

Originally posted by Mugen Tsukuyomi:

halfway conquering China. GuanYu passed away. Seriously?

That the quality of Total War now, Flop a name out to snatch the cash and have 20 DLC at 50$ each to fix it

[Makaveli]

Originally posted by Aryvian:

Guan Yu didn't live longer than "halfway conquering China" in reality either so what are you whining about?
Characters are not supposed to live through an entire campaign, that's what marriage and children are for.

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[Comrade Tiedanski 五月天]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Yup. You'd be lucky to hit your 50s or 60s in that era, when most of your adult life has been spent exerting yourself and stressing your body to the breaking point in one of the bloodiest ancient wars of all times.

Life expectancy are low in ancient times because medical progress was mediocre at best, people could even simply die from a cold if they are not careful enough and if you get cancer... Good Luck.

When your in your 30s your bones and muscles and soon other parts would begin deteriorating, so if you have any illness or body problems, it would really be a life and death moment because they have no 100% guarantee treatments at that time. Those who lived through to 60s-70s are lucky individuals because they caught no major illnesses on the way.

[StevoTheOutlaw]

The biggest killer for officers in the 3k period was war, just check the ages of the three leaders
Cao Cao - 65
Liu Bei - 62
Sun Quan - 70

This wasn't the exception to the norm either it was rare for them to die at a young age through natural causes. Chinese medicine at this time was probably the most advanced in the whole of the world.

Zhuge Liang - 53
Huang Gai - 78
Huang Zhong - 72
Guan Yu - 60 (not natural causes)
Zhang Laio - 53
Sima Yi - 71
Liu Biao - 66


So you can see that there is a varied set of ages (of course this is just a small sample of the famous generals) - but they were not all dying off in their 30s.

[Okita Asada]

What bothers me is that in records mode, death comes earlier when the generals in the romance with very few exceptions share the lifespans with their historical counterparts.