I think it's time for Shu-Wei-Wu period DLC?

[Nickk]

Who cares about starting as Cao Cao for the 100th times? It's time to introduce Jiang Wei, Deng Ai, Zhung Hoi, Lu Xun, Ma Su, Sima Zhao, Sima Shi... all the young generals and strategist. Maybe the period after Zhuge Liang dies? Or you can keep him if you play as Shu.

Might be the last DLC if CA decides to make them since it's so late, I think the 7 Princes DLC was just a waste of time nobody cares about that period.

[Firaeveus Carron]

I mean... considering that the last 30-40ish years of the Han Dynasty time period (190 - 220 A.D.) are the most popular / most featured when it comes to media and entertainment, we can probably expect to see more start dates within that time frame.

[D. Edwards]

I think the next time frame will be Lui Bei taking the south from Liu Zhang and the one after that will be right after the death of Guan Yu, since that happens to be the critical mass of Shu's decline.

Oh I forgot we could see a DLC for when Cao Cao Betray's Ma Teng and Ma Chao enter's Liu Bei's ranks.

[Darklordnj]

Originally posted by D. Edwards:

Oh I forgot we could see a DLC for when Cao Cao Betray's Ma Teng and Ma Chao enter's Liu Bei's ranks.

Pretty sure Cao Cao never betrayed Ma Teng. Ma Chao betrayed Ma Teng though.

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by Haddon:

Originally posted by Sqrt(-1):

Zhuge Liang is the most important character of the story, even more than Liu Bei. Most adaptions of the Three Kingdoms stop after his death, and even the 2010 show stopped after Sima Yi's take-over. After Zhuge Liang dies, everyone else is kind of disappointing. Shu has Jiang Wei, but he is a poor man's Zhuge Liang. Wei has Sima Yi, but he dies not long after. Wu goes completely off the rails. And Jin may have Sima Zhao and Jia Chong, but they are not that smart, while Zhong Hui and Deng Ai destroy each other.

Any start after Zhuge Liang's death just lacks the "age of heroes" feeling, because all the heroes are dead.

So while the era is definitely important, I don't see it being turned into a chapter pack.

I think Cao Cao is the most important. He is the reason the Han collapsed, IMO, above all others. Capturing and holding the emperor for what like 25 years? It was his success in the north that made Zhuge Liang devise his grand three kingdoms strategy, and the only reason Liu Bei was able to form an alliance with the Sun is they were worried about Cao. Without that alliances, there wouldn't have been time to form a Shu.

The Han collapsed because Huangfu Song and Eunuchs had their fighting and one side invited Dong Zhuo right inside. The Han dynasty was held by Cao Cao but the Shu Han fell before its emperor did.

[D. Edwards]

Originally posted by Darklordnj:

Originally posted by D. Edwards:

Oh I forgot we could see a DLC for when Cao Cao Betray's Ma Teng and Ma Chao enter's Liu Bei's ranks.

Pretty sure Cao Cao never betrayed Ma Teng. Ma Chao betrayed Ma Teng though.

WHat i mean is Cao Cao Killed his family. Even though Ma Chao attacked first.

[Yellowdragon]

In another 6 months I hope...since this DLC took 6 months between the last DLC.

[Nickk]

Originally posted by TanksK the tactical feeder:

In another 6 months I hope...since this DLC took 6 months between the last DLC.

Damn they're just drip feeding DLC aren't they? 6 months for no new faction and a couple changes here and there...

[Sardorim]

Originally posted by Sqrt(-1):

Originally posted by Sardorim:

They have to. The Fall of Shu and Wu are very important to the era. So what if Zhuge Liang is dead?

Zhuge Liang is the most important character of the story, even more than Liu Bei. Most adaptions of the Three Kingdoms stop after his death, and even the 2010 show stopped after Sima Yi's take-over. After Zhuge Liang dies, everyone else is kind of disappointing. Shu has Jiang Wei, but he is a poor man's Zhuge Liang. Wei has Sima Yi, but he dies not long after. Wu goes completely off the rails. And Jin may have Sima Zhao and Jia Chong, but they are not that smart, while Zhong Hui and Deng Ai destroy each other.

Any start after Zhuge Liang's death just lacks the "age of heroes" feeling, because all the heroes are dead.

So while the era is definitely important, I don't see it being turned into a chapter pack.

Zhuge Liang didn't even join Liu Bei until Chibi era.

The story also didn't start or end with Zhuge Liang. Why should TW:3k act like it does?

There are also still heroes left. Wen Yang is considered the Last Great Warrior of the 3k Era while Yang Hu, Du Yu, and Lu Kang are considered just as good, if not better, than the Greats during early 3k. Then there's Sima Shi, Sima Zhao, and the such.

[Haddon]

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

Originally posted by Haddon:

I think Cao Cao is the most important. He is the reason the Han collapsed, IMO, above all others. Capturing and holding the emperor for what like 25 years? It was his success in the north that made Zhuge Liang devise his grand three kingdoms strategy, and the only reason Liu Bei was able to form an alliance with the Sun is they were worried about Cao. Without that alliances, there wouldn't have been time to form a Shu.

The Han collapsed because Huangfu Song and Eunuchs had their fighting and one side invited Dong Zhuo right inside. The Han dynasty was held by Cao Cao but the Shu Han fell before its emperor did.

The Han fell because Cao Cao basically kidnapped the emperor and forcibly relocated him to Xuchang, and forced the emperor to issue decrees in Cao Cao's favor. After Dong Zhuo's death, the Han may have come back, just like they did after Wang Mang. But Cao Cao put the final nail in that coffin by keeping Emperor Xian from re-solidifying Han dominance over regional warlords. Emperor Xian wasn't a weakling, he may have actually been able to do it, especially considering Ma Teng, Shi Xie, Gongsun Du and Kang, Liu Bei, Liu Biao and more were all perfectly happy to remain loyal to the Han until it became clear it just wasn't going to continue existing (minus when Ma Teng joined rebellion early in the period)

[Siodog]

Originally posted by Nickk:

Originally posted by TanksK the tactical feeder:

In another 6 months I hope...since this DLC took 6 months between the last DLC.

Damn they're just drip feeding DLC aren't they? 6 months for no new faction and a couple changes here and there...

Coz its a chapter pack, next one is a expansion pack confirmed by CA focused in the North so more like the Furious Wild DLC next

[Nickk]

Originally posted by Siodog:

Originally posted by Nickk:

Damn they're just drip feeding DLC aren't they? 6 months for no new faction and a couple changes here and there...

Coz its a chapter pack, next one is a expansion pack confirmed by CA focused in the North so more like the Furious Wild DLC next

Hope so, the Northen part in other 3K I play has leopard warrior and strong horse units, I hope they're not just Nanman with Leopard and can wear the Han's armor and weapons also.

[D. Edwards]

Originally posted by Sardorim:

Originally posted by Sqrt(-1):

Zhuge Liang is the most important character of the story, even more than Liu Bei. Most adaptions of the Three Kingdoms stop after his death, and even the 2010 show stopped after Sima Yi's take-over. After Zhuge Liang dies, everyone else is kind of disappointing. Shu has Jiang Wei, but he is a poor man's Zhuge Liang. Wei has Sima Yi, but he dies not long after. Wu goes completely off the rails. And Jin may have Sima Zhao and Jia Chong, but they are not that smart, while Zhong Hui and Deng Ai destroy each other.

Any start after Zhuge Liang's death just lacks the "age of heroes" feeling, because all the heroes are dead.

So while the era is definitely important, I don't see it being turned into a chapter pack.

Zhuge Liang didn't even join Liu Bei until Chibi era.

The story also didn't start or end with Zhuge Liang. Why should TW:3k act like it does?

There are also still heroes left. Wen Yang is considered the Last Great Warrior of the 3k Era while Yang Hu, Du Yu, and Lu Kang are considered just as good, if not better, than the Greats during early 3k. Then there's Sima Shi, Sima Zhao, and the such.

The problem with this is, no one knows them, the 3k era doesn't focus on them much. The previous poster is sort of right, after Zhuge's Death the 3k story (The romancing story) pretty much goes down hill.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by D. Edwards:

Originally posted by Sardorim:

Zhuge Liang didn't even join Liu Bei until Chibi era.

The story also didn't start or end with Zhuge Liang. Why should TW:3k act like it does?

There are also still heroes left. Wen Yang is considered the Last Great Warrior of the 3k Era while Yang Hu, Du Yu, and Lu Kang are considered just as good, if not better, than the Greats during early 3k. Then there's Sima Shi, Sima Zhao, and the such.

The problem with this is, no one knows them, the 3k era doesn't focus on them much. The previous poster is sort of right, after Zhuge's Death the 3k story (The romancing story) pretty much goes down hill.

Its know to alot of people and after Zhuge Liang death the second generation takes over. I am tired of seeing the same faces over and over. I guess people don't know who Liu Shen or Jiang Wei are. Even if people don't know them, that doesn't mean they shouldn't make it. The ending should be in the game. Ask yourself, why is Sima Yi in the game then? He pretty much useless because he does not take over Wei or even have childen. What happen after everyone dies from old age? All generic character.

[D. Edwards]

Originally posted by Ryan:

Originally posted by D. Edwards:

The problem with this is, no one knows them, the 3k era doesn't focus on them much. The previous poster is sort of right, after Zhuge's Death the 3k story (The romancing story) pretty much goes down hill.

Its know to alot of people and after Zhuge Liang death the second generation takes over. I am tired of seeing the same faces over and over. I guess people don't know who Liu Shen or Jiang Wei are. Even if people don't know them, that doesn't mean they shouldn't make it. The ending should be in the game. Ask yourself, why is Sima Yi in the game then? He pretty much useless because he does not take over Wei or even have childen. What happen after everyone dies from old age? All generic character.

It's all about marketing, most people dont' know the heroes after Zhuge Liang's death. Sure they may know Deng Ai, Jian Wei, and a few others. But the romancing saga doesn't go too much into it (Since it heavily favors Shu anyways) and once Zhuge died he was pretty much the last old guard of the Shu-Han.

The rest is just history, I mean look at the 8 Prince DLC, when it was announced many were upset that they choose this period which was after 3k. Most aren't going to care about a 3k after Zhuge or Sima's death.

[tobimasusasuke]

i think next DLC is episode of Red Cliff.
not three kingdoms.