Playable Han Empire

[ri_tard]

Hello,

I know there is a DLC "Mandate of Heaven" where you can play the Emperor at earlier years before the chaos etc.

But is there any way to play the Han Empire in the time where Dong Zhuo took the small emperor?

Cause I kinda wanna play the huge Han Empire which is falling appart and try to rebuild it slowly and maybe somewhow rescue the prince myself through politics or somehow else with special events.

They could reuse the eunuch court system and make corruption and public order bad so you cant just easily expand but you have to fix ur system first.

You basically have war on all sides, so it get even harder.

Would be cool to play it like in Total War Atilla western rome.

[Darth Alpharius]

You would need an unlocker which can be found on the Workshop.

[Fais]

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

You would need an unlocker which can be found on the Workshop.

The Han in that mod is still "not working" aka not finished yet.

However playable Han at 190 and 194 would be probably one of the most brutal and fun campaigns, one can dream of them being playable. Maybe one day CA would do it, and ofcourse bug fixes with it.

Love to have something similar to WRE in Attila, where you are playing a fallen apart faction and trying to revive it. The Han can serve something similar, and probably as brutal as WRE.

[GamerCH]

You can annex the Han Empire faction somehow. I think its after the emperor is no more.

[ri_tard]

Originally posted by Fais:

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

You would need an unlocker which can be found on the Workshop.

The Han in that mod is still "not working" aka not finished yet.

However playable Han at 190 and 194 would be probably one of the most brutal and fun campaigns, one can dream of them being playable. Maybe one day CA would do it, and ofcourse bug fixes with it.

Love to have something similar to WRE in Attila, where you are playing a fallen apart faction and trying to revive it. The Han can serve something similar, and probably as brutal as WRE.

imagine a own playstyle/mechanic focusing on rescuing the prince that got captured by dong zhuo by politics or spys.

and after the rescue you can break free and start ur game

[myperfectvictory]

Historically, would this civil war have occurred even if Liu Hong hadn't suddenly passed away? Or was it inevitable, even with him still living? The eunuchs wouldn't have taken over if he hadn't passed away, correct? I don't see how a playable han empire faction in 190 would connect with the lore. I understand the game portrays it differently, but technically, the Han Empire faction you see in year 190 start should already be under Dong Zhuo's ownership. I don't understand why he has it vassalized, but I am assuming the developers did that to balance the game, so that Dong Zhuo isn't overpowered at the start.

[RCMidas]

Civil war was inevitable, yes, but it would not necessarily have happened within the time period it did. The sort of corruption tearing at the innards of the Han Empire was the same one that ended so many other dynasties - sooner or later, things were going to go very wrong.

And in fact, even if Liu Hong had not died of his own accord, so to speak, it would not have been impossible for the eunuchs to simply remove him. The later emperors of Wei suffered greatly from this issue as the Sima faction rose to prominence within their court and, as we know, eventually subsumed them into the Jin.

Had the Zhang brothers not risen up at the time they did, the warlords would not have gained just enough power to start seriously considering autonomy. Had Liu Hong not died and left his heir in the hands of the eunuchs, they might have hesitated to kill He Jin. Had the new child emperor not been found by Dong Zhou of all people, a few more decades of decaying stability might have still been possible.

A perfect confluence of events. Standard, unfortunately, for the many dynasties which rose and fell in those times. Nobody who ever saw the pattern believed it would happen to theirs.

[FlyingPurpleMonkey626]

so you might need the mandate of heaven im not sure but at some point there was an update where every 5 turns it asks what you want to do with the emperor if you own him. if you banish him then the han empire is no longer your unique vassal and you can revasalize and annex them. The earlies you can due this is on turn 5 as dong zhou. this youtube video explains it better https://youtu.be/dk4vT2yidAQ

[myperfectvictory]

Originally posted by FlyingPurpleMonkey626:

so you might need the mandate of heaven im not sure but at some point there was an update where every 5 turns it asks what you want to do with the emperor if you own him. if you banish him then the han empire is no longer your unique vassal and you can revasalize and annex them. The earlies you can due this is on turn 5 as dong zhou. this youtube video explains it better https://youtu.be/dk4vT2yidAQ

This has nothing to do with what OP is asking about.

OP specifically asks if there is any way the player can select the Han Empire faction during Dong Zhuo's reign. Perhaps in the form of a mod or future DLC?

OP is not asking about Dong Zhuo's gameplay when holding the emperor.

[Okita Asada]

Yeah, you can play as Liu Bei

[ri_tard]

Originally posted by ChaotixLogic:

Originally posted by Fais:

However playable Han at 190 and 194 would be probably one of the most brutal and fun campaigns, one can dream of them being playable. Maybe one day CA would do it, and ofcourse bug fixes with it.

I think the opposite is true unless there is a special rule set for the Han that is unlikely to be able to be created via mods. The reason why I say this is look at how large the Han is compared to every other faction. Not all factions start at war with the Han during the Dong Zhou and beyond campaigns. Maintain good relationships with the loyal Han Governors and much of your land will be largely secure.

Even if you mod or CA makes it DLC to have diplomatic penalties to the Han when its a player controlled faction to ensure upcoming wars then you could just either sell your lands through very lucrative trade deals that you otherwise couldn't defend. Choose the most defensible and profitable lands and build armies there. Then simply expand outwards from likely several far off points on the map.

Without any imposed harsh penalties it would be a cake walk. The only thing I can think of to perhaps change that is make the Han have key cities. Cities that cannot be traded and if one is lost then it is game over. Place these let's say 3 cities in vulnerable areas next to already hostile factions. Do not allow diplomacy at all to all non loyal Han Gov factions. The Emperor needs to be considered in this too, anger Dong Zhou or whomever controls them too much and the Emperor gets executed and you get game over. Get too strong and they become fearful and start demanding land from you or lose the game. Move to many troops on their territory and they get suspicious. Making you have to appease the hostage taker and try to rescue the Emperor. All while having to defend key cities and not being allowed to expand much further without issue.
Saving the Emperor would have to be done swiftly without delay when you backstab the 'kidnapper'

Nah bro, Han is very weak, they have a split army with bad units and they WILL lose a lot of territory in the first few rounds because of the other factions campaign start.

A way to "balance" them would be to give them a lot of corruption and bad public order so he has to focus on his territory first before expanding.

It wont be that easy of an campaign

[ri_tard]

Kinda like the mandate of heaven emperor campaign you could reuse the eunuch court system into the 192 han campaign to make it even harder.

Han has a lot of unstable and unprotected territory with enemies at almost all sides.