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- He's scripted to die early. No legendary generals and his son sucks making it the hardest campaign ever.
He is not scripted to die if you're playing his faction. He now has Resilience.
Lady Mi starts in his court and is a great alternative for heir thanks to her massive boosts to Satisfaction.
And thanks to the sandbox nature of the game, it is not difficult to acquire legendary generals just like any other faction leader.
His exclusive units aren't terribly exciting but the archers carry TONS of arrows. And his Displaced Population mechanic is quite powerful and can be used to either pump out very fast armies of militia (and his faction units) or build up your settlements super fast.
Begins with a heavily corrupt government that is very hard to cleanse; He can't command an army on the battlefield unless you use mods; starts with a lot of money, but also with a huge defecit. Liu Hong is an absolute nightmare for even seasoned veterans of the Total War franchise. Imagine the Western Roman Empire in Attila Total War, but on steroids. Plus he was a morally corrupt leader in real life too! For all these reasons he is the worst character in the game. Period!
2. Liu Biao
His faction bonuses (+10 satisfaction and +2 public order factionwide) are very meh. He is one of the worst fighting generals in the game, especially for a commander. His starting court is one of the worst in the game, with only Huang Zhong and Gan Ning being the only characters that are really good. Lastly, his Governance mechanic severely nerfs his faction and makes expansion very difficult. It is also very difficult to increase Governance, since it requires you to build lots of tier 3 lodge buildings in basically every commandery. The only things I like about him is his special tutor positions and his unique units, but otherwise I think you should stay clear of him in general.
3. Zhang Yan
I will admit that his 194 start date is leagues better than his 190 start date, but he is still pretty bad. His unique units are very mediocre, his court is the worst starting court in the game (especially in his 190 start date). Your better off firing all of your court members after you take the first lumberyard on turn 1. He has nothing very unique about him except his special buildings that can increase diplomacy with either Han or Yellow Turban factions, which are both useless. As a result, you should always build the Black Mountain fortress, which gives you extra loot and post battle income. His ambush when attacking is okay, but not game breaking. The only thing that makes him better than Liu Biao is that he is a better fighting general than that poor old man.
4. Sima Liang
He's basically the same as Liu Biao except he's a better fighting general. Before the "A World Betrayed" dlc, I would have switched him with Liu Biao, but now he's basically a slightly better Liu Biao. Sima Liang does not have the same special tutor court positions, but he does have a starting court that is a million times better than last two leaders. His sons are not to be messed with for sure. He is also surrounded by lots of enemies (the powerful Sima Wei, and Jin Empire to name a few), which makes his campaign extra challenging. While he's technically not the worst legendary lord, his Jurisdiction mechanic and his early game dilemma's make him (in my opinion) one of the worst lords to play as.
5. Diaochan
She is the weakest legendary Strategist character in the game. Her skill tree starts out as far away from the good strategist traits as possible, making her only good as a administrator or assignment character. Her Deadly Beauty trait is also pretty insignificant and her Beautiful and Charismatic traits effectively cancel each other out. All of these things make her a terrible choice as faction heir and as a legendary lady in general. Ironically, my first play-through victory was a Dong Zhou campaign where I had him die and Diaochan took over and became the Empress and defeated Liu Bei and Sun Ce for the win.
Tell me what you think. Do you agree with my choices and what are your Top 5 Worst Legendary Lords and Ladies?
I can't speak for the rest as I have not play them but I found Liu Hong to be extremely easy. Simply request aid every turn to piss off the court and on turn 7 all the undesirables in the court leave to start a civil war. Instant court influence and economy fix.
Unfortunately they seem to have removed the request aid feature, can't imagine why... I knew something felt wrong about being able to do that, now I have to do a playthrough as him the right way.
Slightly unintentional as I also lost He Jin and Empress He and other good generals I didn't mean to scare off.
Well if there is I sure as hell can't figure them out.
Wait... Oh I think I see what you did. Lets just say that I was never one of the people complaining about a lack of family trees and politics in Total War games and leave it at that.
You can use the city building manager (not court screen) to appoint and fire all of your eunuchs as administrators without paying political influence. This gives all affected characters -Satisfaction from being removed from office.
Then you go and give all of them a title using the new title system and immediately remove them. This gives them all the Demoted satisfaction hit.
Try to trade for a Eunuch ancillary from anyone else in your empire. The chances that you don't find at least one is pretty low as it's just a bronze quality follower. Each Eunuch ancillary is another -10 satisfaction per.
Depending on how lucky you are finding Eunuchs, most of your court should abandon you by turn 2.
Make sure to give cheap titles to characters you actually want to keep.
I didn't think of all of those, but the centerpiece of my way of doing it is that if you have the Empress sleep around with all the Eunuchs they will also have an additional -15 to satisfaction from being divorced from the royal family.
Anyway pretty much garanteed to clear out the court very quickly using these methods. Which leaves the player with a powerful faction capable of fielding Imperial Guard units and steamrolling the Yellow Turbans.
Significantly less expensive than keeping the Eunuchs around any longer than you have to. And negligable compared to your starting pile of money and the player's normal income from that point.
Though with all of your methods you can probably save this one for last .
I'd disagree, he was one of my favourite campaigns - the key thing is that he is all about vassals, which also increase your governance. Fight people, then vassalise them and keep them sweet with 10 turn food/money gifts.
If you go over your region count, give them to your vassals. It can be SUPER successful. There was a post over on reddit recently where someone, using liu Biao reunited china with his vassal swarm before the three kingdoms event even triggered!