CA rewriting history? Gongsun Du?

[AlternativeXinba]

During the three kingdom era, northeast Han (current day North Korea) was ruled by Gongsun Du who was a warlord who helped Dong Zhuo. However, it appears that the entire area of Gongsun Du is completely wiped from total war's map. Why would that be the case? In all maps and readings, northeast China was included as part of the three kingdoms, so why isn't it in total war? Is it because of Korean fans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gongsun_Du

Also, there seems to be a significant amount of female warlords in this game. hmmm.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Might not have enough tin foil to make a hat that big. The literal objective of the game is to re-write history

Korea is simply going to be DLC, as it's area is on the map, but not its provinces. Before judging the decision, we do not know the extent of the content such a DLC would have, so we should reserve our judgement about it until it is actually announced

There is precident of female character in the romance of the three kingdoms, so there is a minority of generic and legendary female characters in the game. Not enough to seem like too many though from what I've seen. Seems like every 1 in 7 to 10 characters is female (too much for history but not too much for a game)

[Fritz]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

Might not have enough tin foil to make a hat that big.

HAHAHAHHAHAHA 😂😂

[AlternativeXinba]

Why would they put a Chinese faction for a Korean DLC?

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Alternative:

Why would they put a Chinese faction for a Korean DLC?

A number of reasons. Why would they make a human Legendary Lord for a Vampire Caost DLC? Because it fits the theme and geographic location

[Chortles]

@Alternative: Gongsun Du is in... as a 'generic' Sentinel; HeirofCarthage's Liu Bei campaign preview video had him as a split-second/freeze-frame at 6:57 in the cycle of AI warlords after ending Liu Bei's turn.

P.S. Shi Xie's in too, as a 'generic' Strategist.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Which also means he can be later fleshed out in a smaller-scale warlord pack

[Fritz]

That’s what I was expecting at first, a LL pack that fleshed out gongsun zan and du together. But when zan was announced as part of the starting roster my next guess is he might be the aranessa saltspite of the korea culture pack dlc. Like we get 3 proper korean warlord leaders and du as a 4th random tie into mainland china.

[Mitth'raw'nuruodo]

Originally posted by Alternative:

Also, there seems to be a significant amount of female warlords in this game. hmmm.

Yeah... 1 is totally a significant amount.

[WillieWonkaSauce]

Originally posted by Alternative:

Why would they put a Chinese faction for a Korean DLC?

Korean and Chinese history has been intertwined for over a millenia.

[Critical Rocket]

I wouldn't be surprised to see map expansion DLC alongside updates fleshing out more of the generic looking characters into unique versions. There are so many that even by the end of the products life in terms of post release content and updates, we will likely still have certain generals and other personalities not represented.

I have been curious what faction DLC they would make since the big selling factor of this is the personalities of the period and how they work. Would we see expansions that add more characters to existing factions like Wei, Wu and Shu? Or would we see timeline jumps for the arrival of the Jin dynasty. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

[templar0122]

Originally posted by Critical Rocket:

I wouldn't be surprised to see map expansion DLC alongside updates fleshing out more of the generic looking characters into unique versions. There are so many that even by the end of the products life in terms of post release content and updates, we will likely still have certain generals and other personalities not represented.

I have been curious what faction DLC they would make since the big selling factor of this is the personalities of the period and how they work. Would we see expansions that add more characters to existing factions like Wei, Wu and Shu? Or would we see timeline jumps for the arrival of the Jin dynasty. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

I think its going to be a mixture of faction packs to flesh out some genric lords that arent currently playable like Liu Zhang, Shi Xie, Gongsun Du etc,

some scenario packs kinda like what they did with Caesar in Gual or Empire Divided, where it would be either mini campaigns like Zhuge Liang vs Meng Huo, or later time in the game when its mainly Shu vs Wu vs Wei vs Jin,

and probably some character packs that would that would take some of the other bigger named officers and give them their own look like the Lu Meng, Lu Su, Gan Ning, Wei Yan, Cao Hong, Cao Ren, Wen Chou, Yan Ling(dont remeber if the Cao's, Wen Chou, and Yan Ling already had unique looks or not)

[Lexa's Flamekeeper]

Originally posted by Alternative:

CA rewriting history? Gongsun Du? hmmm.

Ok for starters, None of the total war games are historically accurate, otherwise it'd be a movie and not a game where you make your own history, only thing that's historical is the time period and characters. (Apart from 1 or 3)

kinda hate how you history buffs think you're playing history when your actually not, as said above, if the game was historically accurate, you'd be watching the game make all the moves and not you, you wouldn't command anything. only thing that's historically accurate is the time period, and the units.

[Chortles]

@Lexa's Flamekeeper: OP was mistaken, the character they were inquiring about is indeed in the base game.

@templar0122: Wen Chou was a generic champion in the second diplomacy video, and based on Yuan Shao's faction article Yan Liang's a generic vanguard. Gan Ning's already got a unique look as an I'm-certain Legendary vanguard. As for the rest, there are characters who most-recently-in-public have generic hero portraits but are Legendaries with unique backgrounds, e.g. Cao Ren has been confirmed to be one and I've seen a Gongsun Qi character window with him as a Legendary vanguard, so I imagine that such 'portrait/model officer packs' would be for them.

[Azur lane enjoyer]

If he is female character she can become another Legendary warlord right now.

[Portapotty]

Originally posted by Lexa's Flamekeeper:

Originally posted by Alternative:

CA rewriting history? Gongsun Du? hmmm.

Ok for starters, None of the total war games are historically accurate, otherwise it'd be a movie and not a game where you make your own history, only thing that's historical is the time period and characters. (Apart from 1 or 3)

kinda hate how you history buffs think you're playing history when your actually not, as said above, if the game was historically accurate, you'd be watching the game make all the moves and not you, you wouldn't command anything. only thing that's historically accurate is the time period, and the units.

The Total War franchise used to be QUITE historically accurate, as much as allowed to by the gameplay mechanics while also being constrained by a lack of development funds and primitive graphic engine. The core historical postulates were never violated in Medieval 2, even so the game was the pinnacle of grand strategy in its day. In fact the later entries in the TW series took a more liberal approach to history, while not even coming close to the levels of gameplay offered by the campaign map in Medieval 2. So the argument that historical accuracy is inversely proportional to gameplay quality is horsedung.

Needless to say if a strategy game based on Chinese antiquity is teeming with female warlords, then what you have is a grave violation of a core historical tenet, that of the Chinese Patriarchy, in which case you are neither accurate nor authentic, let alone historical, and neither do you improve gameplay in any way. There is also the fact that this happens to be an important centrepiece of the Chinese cultural heritage, and while I know that Westerners are not familiar with this, you should treat other people's belongings with a little bit of deference.