Meng Huo

[jamiemartin10]

How important is Meng Huo and his people in 3 kingdoms? I hear his people have already be positively said to be DLC for TW3K.

[Haddon]

In the actual period, almost not at all. In the novel, still not all the important, the Nanman campaigns were kinda like side-quests are in games. Definitely important to the overall narrative, but not really a part of the central conflict.

[Vin362]

Meng Huo is said to have joined forces with Yong Kai to fight what the later considered unreasonable demands from forgeign leaders around the time Zhuge Liang wanted to move north to campaign against Wei he was worried about the possible unrest in Nanzhong and decided to move south first in the hopes of calming the region. There are some accounts that Meng Huo was promised a rank and treasure by Cao Pi as part of Sima Yi’s plan to attack Shu from five directions after the death of Liu Bei but like most claims this is probably rooted in fiction.

The Nanman were confirmed as part of the development blog as to what to expect we do not know there are some theories in different threads.

[Poljanan]

In the grand scheme? No not all. But in a strategy game where having diverse factions is almost second to none in importance, big yes.
However, unlike the steppe tribes that Cao Cao pacified, the Nanman especially stick out from the other rebellious locals due to their usage of war beasts, rattan armor, Meng Huo's amazonian wife, as well as Zhuge Liang's supposed usage of flame breathing contraptions to defeat the barbarian armies.

[mofocheeto]

Meng Huo was a minor character, he wasn't even mentioned in the Records of the Three Kingdoms. According to other chronicles, he was a local lord that rebelled after Liu Bei's death.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms portrays Meng Huo as the king of southern barbarian (Nanman). He also marries the Amazonian warrior Lady Zhurong, who claims descent from the fire deity Zhurong. I hope CA sticks to this version of Meng Huo from the novel, as it is far more interesting. Meng Huo is said to have used war elephants and other beasts. His elite infantry units used ratan armour. I imagine they are heavy infantry with the speed of light infantry, maybe immune to fatigue but vulnerable to fire.

The game is in serious need of faction diversity and factions to fill the southern half of the map. It's not that ancient China did not have diversity, but because CA left it out of the base game. I hope CA also releases Shan Yue faction that fills in the southeastern corner of the map.

[Jerroser]

Overall Meng Huo's relevance was mostly limited to the South West of China (modern day Yunnan province) where the Nanman tribes resided. They are a distinctly different cultural group from the rest of China although were considered to be subjects of the Han by this point. During the Three Kingsom's they attempted to rebel against Shu but were ultimately defeated without too much difficulty.

Historically from what I know the rebellion didn't actually start with Meng Huo's but another one which was edged on by Wu under the promise that they would be given control of the wider region. But it very quickly grew to the point where all of the tribes were up in arms and Meng Huo become their leader.

[Haddon]

Originally posted by mofocheeto:

Meng Huo was a minor character, he wasn't even mentioned in the Records of the Three Kingdoms. According to other chronicles, he was a local lord that rebelled after Liu Bei's death.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms portrays Meng Huo as the king of southern barbarian (Nanman). He also marries the Amazonian warrior Lady Zhurong, who claims descent from the fire deity Zhurong. I hope CA sticks to this version of Meng Huo from the novel, as it is far more interesting. Meng Huo is said to have used war elephants and other beasts. His elite infantry units used ratan armour. I imagine they are heavy infantry with the speed of light infantry, maybe immune to fatigue but vulnerable to fire.

The game is in serious need of faction diversity and factions to fill the southern half of the map. It's not that ancient China did not have diversity, but because CA left it out of the base game. I hope CA also releases Shan Yue faction that fills in the southeastern corner of the map.

He wasn't mentioned by name, but IIRC the Zhuge entry mentions Zhuge capturing the king of the Nanman. The Nanman seem to have practiced a monarchical system similar to the Celts, in that there were many kings, and a sort of king of kings, the hegemonic king. And he was captured. But nothing else, because it wasn't very important.

As to ratan armor, it isn't very effective in melee, but highly effective against low-power missiles. I doubt it would do a damn thing against a Chinese crossbow. So I could see them being more like a medium unit, but with really high melee defense. I do like the idea of being extra vulnerable to fire. I think being immune to fatigue is too much, but a high fatigue resistance would be good. Additionally, extra stats while in forests, no movement reduction in forests.

[Poljanan]

Originally posted by Haddon:

Originally posted by mofocheeto:

Meng Huo was a minor character, he wasn't even mentioned in the Records of the Three Kingdoms. According to other chronicles, he was a local lord that rebelled after Liu Bei's death.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms portrays Meng Huo as the king of southern barbarian (Nanman). He also marries the Amazonian warrior Lady Zhurong, who claims descent from the fire deity Zhurong. I hope CA sticks to this version of Meng Huo from the novel, as it is far more interesting. Meng Huo is said to have used war elephants and other beasts. His elite infantry units used ratan armour. I imagine they are heavy infantry with the speed of light infantry, maybe immune to fatigue but vulnerable to fire.

The game is in serious need of faction diversity and factions to fill the southern half of the map. It's not that ancient China did not have diversity, but because CA left it out of the base game. I hope CA also releases Shan Yue faction that fills in the southeastern corner of the map.

He wasn't mentioned by name, but IIRC the Zhuge entry mentions Zhuge capturing the king of the Nanman. The Nanman seem to have practiced a monarchical system similar to the Celts, in that there were many kings, and a sort of king of kings, the hegemonic king. And he was captured. But nothing else, because it wasn't very important.

As to ratan armor, it isn't very effective in melee, but highly effective against low-power missiles. I doubt it would do a damn thing against a Chinese crossbow. So I could see them being more like a medium unit, but with really high melee defense. I do like the idea of being extra vulnerable to fire. I think being immune to fatigue is too much, but a high fatigue resistance would be good. Additionally, extra stats while in forests, no movement reduction in forests.

>Melee defense
Oh how I hope CA kept that system. The system 3K uses just doesn't sit well with me.

[Vin362]

I wonder if they will add a poison effect to the Nanzhong units since the novel mentions that the Shu forces had to build bridges in order to cross now this is just a hope of mine not something that has been confirmed.

[RCMidas]

Geographical attrition more like.

[Poljanan]

Originally posted by Vin362:

I wonder if they will add a poison effect to the Nanzhong units since the novel mentions that the Shu forces had to build bridges in order to cross now this is just a hope of mine not something that has been confirmed.

I could see that as a deployable trap. Aka poison pit.