Whats the deal with night battles?

[BigDickBandit]

I understand the mechanic and everything its supposed to be a suprise attack, kinda like an ambush. But what i dont get is if you have two armies next to each other like right next each other just because its a night attack you dont get to have reinforcements? but the other army does? again i get the mechanic its supposed to give an advantage when two armies are close but it doesnt make sense. Just because its night time the other army thats literally right next to you doesnt do anything? really? just seems silly to me. i think they should fix this mechanic. we already have ambushes, so why do we need night attacks. i think the thought behind the action and mechanic in the game was good but it doesnt play well in game for me personally. it just seems to give the enemy to much of an advantage with no way for me to counter it. unless there is some way to counter it i havent figured out yet.

[AugustusCaesar]

So basically, you don't like the one thing the Night Battles are supposed to do?

What other uses do you suppose Night Battles should have as opposed to Day Battles?

[Crowkeeper]

Strongly disagree. Night battles are the only way to engage one stack at a time when multiple enemy stacks are within reinforcement range. It's not that complicated of a concept mate.

[Kitten Food]

You actually can counter a night battle if you have 2 armies moving together. Just have one of them in ambush at the end of each turn. It is slower, but you generally never get a night battle since ambushes overwrite that option. You can also do the "one army encamp, one army ambush" movement as the game's armies get larger.

And no, night battle isn't the same as an ambush at all. Units don't start with any negative attributes in a night battle.

[BigDickBandit]

So to answer you first Augustus, you think it makes sense that just because it’s night time an army becomes re tard Ed and doesn’t fight when another army being attacked is right next to them? Cus that’s so realistic.Armies act the same when they get attacked in day as in night in real life right? These games are supposed to be realistic correct?

And to answer you Armata, it’s not that I don’t understand. apparently you can’t read, cus I said exactly what u just did. Lol I understand the concept I just think it’s dumb. I think it needs to be reworked is all mate.

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by tylerxtree:

And to answer you Armata, it’s not that I don’t understand. apparently you can’t read, cus I said exactly what u just did. Lol I understand the concept I just think it’s dumb. I think it needs to be reworked is all mate.

smh How do you not understand though? A night battle is a SURPRISE ATTACK, that's the point....

[BigDickBandit]

Thanks Kitten Food! I’ll try that with the ambush stance I didn’t think of that with the other army. And yes I get that night battles and ambushes are the same that might not have been the best reference for me to use. But thanks again for the tip!

[AugustusCaesar]

Originally posted by tylerxtree:

So to answer you first Augustus, you think it makes sense that just because it’s night time an army becomes re tard Ed and doesn’t fight when another army being attacked is right next to them? Cus that’s so realistic.Armies act the same when they get attacked in day as in night in real life right? These games are supposed to be realistic correct?

And to answer you Armata, it’s not that I don’t understand. apparently you can’t read, cus I said exactly what u just did. Lol I understand the concept I just think it’s dumb. I think it needs to be reworked is all mate.

You confuse what you think could happen in real life, with a gameplay mechanic in a Video Game.

What you want is to remove the very thing the Night Battles exist for. So my question is, what purpose then to you want to have for the Night Battles?

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by AugustusCaesar:

You confuse what you think could happen in real life, with a gameplay mechanic in a Video Game.

What you want is to remove the very thing the Night Battles exist for. So my question is, what purpose then to you want to have for the Night Battles?

Well it's clear that the complaint is only happening because the AI is using it to outplay OP. This is a "git gud" situation.

[Angelo Dante]

Look, armies SLEEP at night after long marches. Men are tired. Only sentries are posted. If an army sneaks up to their camp and gets the jump on them, they have limited time to react. Any camps say, two or three miles off don't have time to respond before the fight is on.

That said, it's a suprise attack to take out group of armies piecemeal. Or to wipe out an army hiding near a garrison without it getting help from them.

Makes perfect sense to me. I like it.

[Nylan]

Originally posted by tylerxtree:

So to answer you first Augustus, you think it makes sense that just because it’s night time an army becomes re tard Ed and doesn’t fight when another army being attacked is right next to them? Cus that’s so realistic.Armies act the same when they get attacked in day as in night in real life right? These games are supposed to be realistic correct?

And to answer you Armata, it’s not that I don’t understand. apparently you can’t read, cus I said exactly what u just did. Lol I understand the concept I just think it’s dumb. I think it needs to be reworked is all mate.

Modern day armies would have ways to communicate.. but way back then two large armies would be camped a ways apart to guard different areas. Yes they might be within reinforcement range of eachother, but the fact that they are separate forces means they don't share a camp. If one army is attacked they would send messengers (multiple so at least one gets through) to ask the other force for an assist. Then the other force marches over. That's simulated in game by reinforcements not being instantly present on battle maps, instead they trickle in at the battle start.

However when an army in the game is attacked at night the messengers who would run to the other nearby army and relay their commanders call for aid just don't get a chance to do so. Maybe they ride out of the camp carrying a torch so they can see and get picked off by archers, or maybe the camp is so enclosed they cannot get through at all. No phones around to give the other force a call for help.. so the second force sits there completely oblivious to the battle since they are oblivious to it. Noone sent them an invite.

[Platinumb]

Guys, you're using logic to argue with him c'mon you'll break his whining about the armies being 're tar ded' or whatever.

[Sevrojin]

Originally posted by Kitten Food:

You actually can counter a night battle if you have 2 armies moving together. Just have one of them in ambush at the end of each turn. It is slower, but you generally never get a night battle since ambushes overwrite that option. You can also do the "one army encamp, one army ambush" movement as the game's armies get larger.

And no, night battle isn't the same as an ambush at all. Units don't start with any negative attributes in a night battle.

night battles come with a -15 moral modifier on the enemy also everyone cant spot that far

[rory.b.p]

The armies aren't literally right next to each other, that is why if it wasn't a battle they march onto the map as reinforcements and are not just there at the start.

Basically your army waits until night time and launches a surprise attack on one of the two armies , this would have been particularly effective if your army was used to night battles and the enemy were not, even if reinforcements arrived if they weren't trained to fight at night they probably wouldn't be able to identify friend from foe.

Thematically it makes more sense that reinforcements don't appear in night battles.

[Storm Runner]

i think night battle is more we attack before dawn and the other army has to hurry to get ready for battle no time to send for reinforcements no time for food (15 moral pen)

[VoiD]

Bit hard to coordinate armies while being surprised at that age, no phones or radios.