White people in ancient china found

[Gao]

In Qin shi huang's tomb,there are 121 white people's ramains in the slavepit,their skulls has been crashed,that means they are slaves and helped built the Qin shi huang's tomb.
Maybe they are the missing legion of rome?the history says there is a war between the qin and white people,and qin won.

[Haddon]

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İndo arianism is racist ideoogical theory in 1800s. Gpsy, indians, scythians, iranian, german, slavs, celts, greeks be same ancestery. Really idiotic. Real aryans cant be europian. I think they were india. I couldnt know they are blondd white and tall. Lol

Indo-Aryanism isn't racist, it is what seems to have happened in pre-history; Aryans came out of Caucasia (though they were likely from the Steppe), pushed into what would become Persia and conquered part of it, and then moved on to India (possibly after being pushed out by the ancestors of the Medes). Along with them came their religion and language, which remain in India today. Indo-Aryanism doesn't say the Aryans replaced the indigenous peoples, just that they culturally supplanted them, and from them the different cultures you mentioned spread. Greek and Persian and Slavic cultures aren't Aryan cultures, they just come from people who were at one point at least culturally dominated by Aryan peoples, or decided to pick up their language for whatever reason (like domination of nearby people).

[Mile pro Libertate]

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İndo arianism is racist ideoogical theory in 1800s. Gpsy, indians, scythians, iranian, german, slavs, celts, greeks be same ancestery. Really idiotic. Real aryans cant be europian. I think they were india. I couldnt know they are blondd white and tall. Lol

As Haddon said, this has nothing to do with "hierarchy of races" or anything like that.

You're probably thinking of stuff from Nazi ideology.

The Nazis coopted and twisted the facts, and they changed the meaning of Aryan, but they didn't invent the name, or the idea of a population movement into India and such.

The Indo-European expansion into Eurasia, India, Persia, Anatolia, Levant, and Europe is a factual thing.

"Indo-Aryan" is a name sometimes used for a branch of the larger grouping of peoples who expanded into the Indus.

And also as Haddon said, this did entail a cultural takeover. Again, that is just the facts of it, nothing having to do with racial theories or "master race" stuff.

[mercurydawn]

Yeah, the Aryan invasion theory has been, and will continue to be systematically gutted.

We had Indo-Iranians (The Hurrians, Ugarite just north of Israel) in the West, and the Rg Veda does have alot of Assyrian loan words in it, so it does suggest a southern expansion AFTER a earlier mesopotamian cultural push northwards first. Reason we think Babylonians first is due to Babylonian iconography making its way northward, such as the multiheaded cobras resting over a diety.... was mesopotamian, then went north, found in alot of artifacts, then pops up in both Buddhism and Hinduism today.... but India also had alot of seeminfly direct contact to the region, such as still exist any snake cults in the south west, virtually identical ceremonies in the Northeast as what nebuchadnezzar had, no to mention alot of mathematical and philosophical concepts transfered over, and the outright copying of early urban centers in India after the manner in the fertile crescent.

Even the old idea of the Vedas and the Zoroastrian language being Indo and Iranian has been under severe attack as of late. They appeared rather late, and are poorly diverged, it has been presumed one is actually a translation of works of the neighboring foreign culture, and not representative of a migration of a earlier culture.

I suspect the "Aryan Invasion" was on par with maybe the movements of Goths within Asia Minor in the 2nd century, if you want size. They just had the better meme in India.

As to the Swat Valley always bring white.... Nope. I'm a very big fan of the philosopher Chanakya, he was the philosopher who drove Alexander out of India and helped found the Maurya Empire. A excellent character to any future Total War, Alexander. He has a TV series called "Chanakya", which covers his time as a professor in Taxila, Alexander's invasion, his time as a guerilla leader and raising Chandragupta, his chosen disciple to become India's first emperor, in the fight against the Indian Republics that didn't fight Alexander the Great, and how he helped consolidate the empire after it was first formed.

It is a older but badassed little TV series, a few works and maxim lists by Chanakya still exist. One thing is certain.... these people.... not white. I'm not ignorant on this local or era, white people didn't occupy the Swat Valley, we didn't occupy the Black Pass into China, etc.

The steppe people in Greek times were recognized by the Greeks as being tall and white. China has plenty of mummies to confirm this. Turkish and Mongol groups did alot to destroy that, why the gradient of Indo-European languages from West to east isn't uniformed, as well as racial tones are not as gradual.... was at one time, but they cut a long line through central basis killing those middle people off. People before then made small movements, bred with neighbors gradually. Now only whites in steppe are Russians, pontic Greeks, and a few Jewish groups in bizarre places like Tajikistan. Iran has a few Greek villages from the Hellenic era as well, if you count Iran as part of the steppe (debatable).

India, like the west, was heavily influenced by Mesopotamia, and whatever invasion into India (or should we say pakistan?) was small. Most contacts, using Occam's razor, doesn't appear to need to involve a Aryan invasion theory, especially in South India. Seaborne contacts make much more sense.

[BestCopperNoob™]

White! Mummies in China were ancestır of modern centralnasian turkic people genetically. Ironnage nomads and turkic people have common culture, art, genetic. Westerner knows it. Becauze theynsay old royal turk=mongols. Chinese source more fair, non ideoligical. Chinese say Alans were in Tiele Goovhe (Turkic) groups. But aryan theory dissapear. Maybe aryans were turkic lol. Arians conver to india anatolia east asia bla bla. Suddenly they converted to turkic. Modern turkic people.

[BestCopperNoob™]

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White! Mummies in China were ancestır of modern centralnasian turkic people genetically. Ironnage nomads and turkic people have common culture, art, genetic. Westerner knows it. Becauze theynsay old royal turk=mongols. Chinese source more fair, non ideoligical. Chinese say Alans were in Tiele Goovhe (Turkic) groups. But aryan theory dissapear. Maybe aryans were turkic lol. Arians conver to india anatolia east asia bla bla. Suddenly they converted to turkic. Modern turkic people.

Greeks dont effect Asia genetically.

[Timmy the Dragonborn]

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White! Mummies in China were ancestır of modern centralnasian turkic people genetically. Ironnage nomads and turkic people have common culture, art, genetic. Westerner knows it. Becauze theynsay old royal turk=mongols. Chinese source more fair, non ideoligical. Chinese say Alans were in Tiele Goovhe (Turkic) groups. But aryan theory dissapear. Maybe aryans were turkic lol. Arians conver to india anatolia east asia bla bla. Suddenly they converted to turkic. Modern turkic people.

The original Mongols ain't really turks mate.

[Bard_13]

Yes, Tocharians conquered China and the chankoros were the slaves of barbarian Ti and the Rung, white nomads with blonde hair, blue eyes, tall, fair skin, of beautiful nature according to Chinese sources. Their land is today western china and their mongrel descendants today are the Uyghurs who are half tocharian and half turkomongol.

[Bard_13]

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这从又是从哪里奇葩网文读来的?
让我也读读。

Also,can we stop talking ‘Lost Roman Legions’ godamn,just stop,enough is enough.
Roman Republic barely reached into Gaul in 210BC,they were right smack in the Second Punic War,what the hell are roman legions doing there in central asia?

Those people are probably talking about the speculative idea of Crassus' lost legions near the end of the Roman Republic ending up in Central Asia. Around 50 something BC, the Roman Republic's borders stretched into the borders of West Asia/Eastern Mediterranean and came into conflict with the Parthians. A bunch of Romans got captured after their defeat at Carrhae and were taken prisoner.

Homer H. Dubs speculated some of these Romans eventually became mercenaries or POW-soldiers for the Xiongnu, and came into contact with the Han Dynasty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer_H._Dubs#Research_and_publishing

noob, the natives of western china were Tocharians, related to scythians and saka, they were nordic looking white and some of those tribes conquered China entirely.

[Bard_13]

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White! Mummies in China were ancestır of modern centralnasian turkic people genetically. Ironnage nomads and turkic people have common culture, art, genetic. Westerner knows it. Becauze theynsay old royal turk=mongols. Chinese source more fair, non ideoligical. Chinese say Alans were in Tiele Goovhe (Turkic) groups. But aryan theory dissapear. Maybe aryans were turkic lol. Arians conver to india anatolia east asia bla bla. Suddenly they converted to turkic. Modern turkic people.

WRONG. Turkic peoples lived in mongolia and had the east asian appearnce, the natives of central asia and western china were white skinned, blonde hair, blue eyed nordic looking nomads called the Tocharians who spoke their own indo-european language.

[Gao]

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Escrito originalmente por AngryPOH™:

White! Mummies in China were ancestır of modern centralnasian turkic people genetically. Ironnage nomads and turkic people have common culture, art, genetic. Westerner knows it. Becauze theynsay old royal turk=mongols. Chinese source more fair, non ideoligical. Chinese say Alans were in Tiele Goovhe (Turkic) groups. But aryan theory dissapear. Maybe aryans were turkic lol. Arians conver to india anatolia east asia bla bla. Suddenly they converted to turkic. Modern turkic people.

WRONG. Turkic peoples lived in mongolia and had the east asian appearnce, the natives of central asia and western china were white skinned, blonde hair, blue eyed nordic looking nomads called the Tocharians who spoke their own indo-european language.

Nope, Tocharians are conquered by han dynasty and got destoryed entirely.

[Gao]

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Escrito originalmente por AngryPOH™:

White! Mummies in China were ancestır of modern centralnasian turkic people genetically. Ironnage nomads and turkic people have common culture, art, genetic. Westerner knows it. Becauze theynsay old royal turk=mongols. Chinese source more fair, non ideoligical. Chinese say Alans were in Tiele Goovhe (Turkic) groups. But aryan theory dissapear. Maybe aryans were turkic lol. Arians conver to india anatolia east asia bla bla. Suddenly they converted to turkic. Modern turkic people.

WRONG. Turkic peoples lived in mongolia and had the east asian appearnce, the natives of central asia and western china were white skinned, blonde hair, blue eyed nordic looking nomads called the Tocharians who spoke their own indo-european language.

Tocharians are weak,and han dynasty conquered them,like they dont even have their own army,and your Tocharians conquered china throey dont stand,China almost dont have halpgroup R exists.

[Gao]

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Escrito originalmente por AngryPOH™:

White! Mummies in China were ancestır of modern centralnasian turkic people genetically. Ironnage nomads and turkic people have common culture, art, genetic. Westerner knows it. Becauze theynsay old royal turk=mongols. Chinese source more fair, non ideoligical. Chinese say Alans were in Tiele Goovhe (Turkic) groups. But aryan theory dissapear. Maybe aryans were turkic lol. Arians conver to india anatolia east asia bla bla. Suddenly they converted to turkic. Modern turkic people.

WRONG. Turkic peoples lived in mongolia and had the east asian appearnce, the natives of central asia and western china were white skinned, blonde hair, blue eyed nordic looking nomads called the Tocharians who spoke their own indo-european language.

Do you know how the Tocharians?they were conquered servel times,twice by china,once by mogolian,.

[Metadragon]

The lost legion thing has a simpler solution? they deserted and ran over whatever hill they could find. There was trade including slave trade along the silk road. Its not implausible for Han Chinese to end up in East Rome (Old Rome) or for whites or blacks or arabs or turks or ethnic jews or anything besides han chinese to end up in Western Han China.

That said Emperor Gao did supposedly outlaw slavery in all forms around the turn of the millennium.

Of course this is 200 years after the tomb was built.

Is this the part where white people demand reparations from the Chinese for enslaving their ancestors?

[ChaataiKhan]

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White! Mummies in China were ancestır of modern centralnasian turkic people genetically. Ironnage nomads and turkic people have common culture, art, genetic. Westerner knows it. Becauze theynsay old royal turk=mongols. Chinese source more fair, non ideoligical. Chinese say Alans were in Tiele Goovhe (Turkic) groups. But aryan theory dissapear. Maybe aryans were turkic lol. Arians conver to india anatolia east asia bla bla. Suddenly they converted to turkic. Modern turkic people.

The original Mongols ain't really turks mate.

But Europians say turk=mongol . Why? Scythian =Arian theory is an realistic. But Xioghnu and Turks invade and settle north india,afghansitan east asia ,crimiea ,anatolia ,caucasia.They wanna Arian theory explain with R1a y haplogroup. But Scythian are ancestor of nowadays kryghiz,hakas, cuvash,uzbek etc. Buuuutttt arians were turkificied. lol there are ant araian. Hım arian=turks? No never. Turks are their most blod0dy rivasl :D They dissaper Roman Empire. Conver mosque Hagia Sofia. İnvade costantinapole. Attila ♥♥♥♥ half europe. lol

[ChaataiKhan]

"tall,fair blonde" ,Ariamis is racist ideology. Old informattion change. OLD KRYGİZ WERE MORE CAUCASİOİD. Chuvash Turks are blonde. CHuvash have most j2 y haplogropu in central asia. %70 R1a Kryghiz are more mongolid. Russian say "polvets" to Cumans. polvets mean blonde. Tocharian mummies werent scythian. Saka and Tocharian were differnt etnicity. Tocharian are minor group in Asia.