Spy became enemy's faction leader - Now what?

[Summanus]

Ok, so I was at war with Yuan Shao and embedded a spy into his court to try to mess things up for him a bit, maybe even get a General position out of it that I could exploit.

I killed Yuan Shao and many of his generals and my spy has now risen to the rank of Faction Leader for his faction! However, I'm still not able to do anything useful with him. Surely if my guy is leader of the faction, then there should be lots I could do with that?! Shouldn't the war be over at that point?

Does anyone know if this is useful to me at all, or are spies completely useless?

[Thomasking]

Spies are very awesome and can change the fate of the entire game.

This is probably one of those 1 in a million chances of a spy becoming a faction leader and not having any options for it. CA probably never even considered that chance I guess?

They should probably get around to patching that, like having the option pop up to install a puppet/vassal government wich instigates a civil war/uprisings (modeling different factions/clans/characters in that state taking sides).

[Hexius Khan]

Can you make your spy a vassal then have in submit or confederate? Sure they showed that off in the spy trailer...

[Thomasking]

Originally posted by Hexius Khan:

Can you make your spy a vassal then have in submit or confederate? Sure they showed that off in the spy trailer...

I think when he's administrator you can have your spy turn over that region. Not sure about the entire state.

[waxman80014]

Originally posted by antlucasexe:

Ok, so I was at war with Yuan Shao and embedded a spy into his court to try to mess things up for him a bit, maybe even get a General position out of it that I could exploit.

I killed Yuan Shao and many of his generals and my spy has now risen to the rank of Faction Leader for his faction! However, I'm still not able to do anything useful with him. Surely if my guy is leader of the faction, then there should be lots I could do with that?! Shouldn't the war be over at that point?

Does anyone know if this is useful to me at all, or are spies completely useless?

LOL too funny, either something went horribly wrong or horribly right!!!!

[Summanus]

Oh wait - I've found a semi-useful option...

I can instigate a civil war. It basically just led to my spy forming a 'separatist' group and taking a settlement away from the enemy faction, deep within enemy territory.

The rebel army will be crushed next turn and my spy killed with them, so it didn't really do me any good :/

[StraberryMilk]

you can make him trigger a civil war and hell give you part of that faction.

[Sultschiem]

Well, I would think that you can now via diplomacy vassalage or merge that faction as long as you have unlocked that action.

[Summanus]

Originally posted by StraberryMilk:

you can make him trigger a civil war and hell give you part of that faction.

He doesn't give you the faction. He creates a separatist movement that gets almost instantly crushed. A bit useless really.

No, there are no new diplomacy options from this either. Its a bit weak to be honest...

[Summanus]

Options for your spy becoming enemy faction leader:

1) Improve relations between you and the enemy faction slightly.

2) Assassinate the faction heir (a bit pointless if you're already leader)

3) Instigate civil war and have a small section break off to form its own faction, which is friendly to you but NOT aligned with you in any way.

[Thomasking]

Originally posted by antlucasexe:

Originally posted by StraberryMilk:

you can make him trigger a civil war and hell give you part of that faction.

He doesn't give you the faction. He creates a separatist movement that gets almost instantly crushed. A bit useless really.

No, there are no new diplomacy options from this either. Its a bit weak to be honest...

That's actually pretty realistic. Within those states are families/clans who won't agree with handing the state over to the enemy. So it would actually be ridiculous and unrealistic to just have him give you the state.

[Einherjer]

had my spy become a faction leader aswell, tobad there is no proper use of it after that.
and yeah. you can get your spy to give you a region, but it can't be the factions capitol, even if its the last settlement.

but yeah, spies in this game finally have several functions.

[Summanus]

The problem is that the civil war is so pathetic that its actually the worst of the 3 options. 1 full-stack army rebels, they take no land (I thought they had, but they didn't) and they are crushed, along with the spy, on the very next turn wasting all your hard work.

If they had actually divided the faction somewhat and presented them with a challenge it might have been worthwhile. But in the end it was the worst possible outcome for the spy.

[Carl]

You can try and sweeten your relationship with the factions and then vassalize/unify it