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Flying General May 25, 2019 @ 11:21am
Why is Zhao Yun so WEAK??
Zhao Yun was ranked second strongest warrior in the novel and soloed Cao Cao army at Chang Ban but he sucks in this game, low attack and etc... comon CA
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neonhigh May 25, 2019 @ 11:26am 
No, Zhao Yun was classed as the second strongest warrior in a fictional novel based on true events. In reality, Zhao Yun did not run off into a crowd of enemies to save A'dou and Lady Mi, and Lady Mi did not throw herself down a well, nor did Zhang Fei scare off Cao Cao's army. It was literally just a battle where Liu Bei had dragged along the people from his previous city.
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Flying General May 25, 2019 @ 11:31am 
yah bro still doesnt make sense his lord Gonsun has 1.3k attack and he has 600 attack, lol bruhhhh
Zhao is like 10x time the warrior Gongsun ever was
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gachi is manly May 25, 2019 @ 11:45am 
Originally posted by neonhigh:
No, Zhao Yun was classed as the second strongest warrior in a fictional novel based on true events.

That's what Romance mode is supposed to be based on my dude...
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Firaeveus Carron May 25, 2019 @ 11:48am 
Originally posted by Flying General:
Why is Zhao Yun so WEAK??

Zhao Yun was ranked second strongest warrior in the novel and soloed Cao Cao army at Chang Ban but he sucks in this game, low attack and etc... comon CA

Zhao Yun isn't weak. Zhao Yun absolutely destroys Gongsun Zan and an overwhelming number of other generals in duels. This is partly due to the way sentinels are designed: lower damage because they tend to use swords, but they have ridiculous evasion stats.

Sure, Gongsun Zan has higher damage with his spears, but he can't hold a candle to Zhao Yun in a duel, especially as Zhao Yun and other generals start to gear up. Sentinels are tough to take down to begin with, but they become evasion tanks when they get better gear and abilities.
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Flying General May 25, 2019 @ 12:55pm 
Originally posted by Firaeveus Carron:
Originally posted by Flying General:
Why is Zhao Yun so WEAK??

Zhao Yun was ranked second strongest warrior in the novel and soloed Cao Cao army at Chang Ban but he sucks in this game, low attack and etc... comon CA

Zhao Yun isn't weak. Zhao Yun absolutely destroys Gongsun Zan and an overwhelming number of other generals in duels. This is partly due to the way sentinels are designed: lower damage because they tend to use swords, but they have ridiculous evasion stats.

Sure, Gongsun Zan has higher damage with his spears, but he can't hold a candle to Zhao Yun in a duel, especially as Zhao Yun and other generals start to gear up. Sentinels are tough to take down to begin with, but they become evasion tanks when they get better gear and abilities.

interesting never thought of that... also Zhao Yun is known to use his 7 foot spear lol but if sentinel uses sword lol...
Last edited by Flying General; May 25, 2019 @ 12:58pm
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Mitth'raw'nuruodo May 25, 2019 @ 12:58pm 
Zhao Yun has a special passive skill that makes him stronger the more he fights. He is a beast in prolonged fights.
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Flying General May 25, 2019 @ 12:58pm 
Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo:
Zhao Yun has a special passive skill that makes him stronger the more he fights. He is a beast in prolonged fights.

makes sense haha, in chang ban fight he probably fought for hours to hours
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Firaeveus Carron May 25, 2019 @ 1:10pm 
Originally posted by Flying General:
Originally posted by Firaeveus Carron:

Zhao Yun isn't weak. Zhao Yun absolutely destroys Gongsun Zan and an overwhelming number of other generals in duels. This is partly due to the way sentinels are designed: lower damage because they tend to use swords, but they have ridiculous evasion stats.

Sure, Gongsun Zan has higher damage with his spears, but he can't hold a candle to Zhao Yun in a duel, especially as Zhao Yun and other generals start to gear up. Sentinels are tough to take down to begin with, but they become evasion tanks when they get better gear and abilities.

interesting never thought of that... also Zhao Yun is known to use his 7 foot spear lol but if sentinel uses sword lol...

I'm actually a bit surprised that they at least never gave Zhao Yun a unique spear weapon, in spite of him being a Sentinel, but I guess CA just wanted to restrict classes to certain weapon types. He could have been a neat Sentinel / Vanguard hybrid, but he at least uses the Blue Blade as a unique weapon. He does end up obtaining the Blue Blade in the romanticized lore anyways, so it works.

Zhao Yun's only real flaw is that he doesn't put out as much AoE damage as Vanguards and some Champions. You can bog him down for quite a while with a bunch of melee troops if you don't want to duel him, but he WILL eventually break free if he can get some assistance.

It's strange: Champion's are supposed to be the prime duelists, but Sentinels end up being far better duelists; especially Zhao Yun, who can obtain the highest melee evasion if I am not mistaken. His insane melee evasion in accordance with the later-tier ability 'Elemental Vigour', which is a passive ability that goes through 5 phases depending on how long Zhao Yun is in combat, make him the best duelist in the game. Each phase of 'Elemental Vigour' gives Zhao Yun more melee evasion and grants him 'unbreakable' while he is in the 5th phase. If he has access to this passive ability, he'll even beat Lu Bu and Guan Yu with ease.
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Flying General May 25, 2019 @ 1:19pm 
Originally posted by Firaeveus Carron:
Originally posted by Flying General:

interesting never thought of that... also Zhao Yun is known to use his 7 foot spear lol but if sentinel uses sword lol...

I'm actually a bit surprised that they at least never gave Zhao Yun a unique spear weapon, in spite of him being a Sentinel, but I guess CA just wanted to restrict classes to certain weapon types. He could have been a neat Sentinel / Vanguard hybrid, but he at least uses the Blue Blade as a unique weapon. He does end up obtaining the Blue Blade in the romanticized lore anyways, so it works.

Zhao Yun's only real flaw is that he doesn't put out as much AoE damage as Vanguards and some Champions. You can bog him down for quite a while with a bunch of melee troops if you don't want to duel him, but he WILL eventually break free if he can get some assistance.

It's strange: Champion's are supposed to be the prime duelists, but Sentinels end up being far better duelists; especially Zhao Yun, who can obtain the highest melee evasion if I am not mistaken. His insane melee evasion in accordance with the later-tier ability 'Elemental Vigour', which is a passive ability that goes through 5 phases depending on how long Zhao Yun is in combat, make him the best duelist in the game. Each phase of 'Elemental Vigour' gives Zhao Yun more melee evasion and grants him 'unbreakable' while he is in the 5th phase. If he has access to this passive ability, he'll even beat Lu Bu and Guan Yu with ease.

Yeah dude, strange Zilong didn't get a unique spear... I'm not sure it was intended, but Zhao Yun fought when he was 70 year old and was slaying other general with ease... Maybe his high evasion and getting stronger as the battle drags has something to do with that? lol
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Flying General May 25, 2019 @ 1:28pm 
Originally posted by Firaeveus Carron:
Originally posted by Flying General:

interesting never thought of that... also Zhao Yun is known to use his 7 foot spear lol but if sentinel uses sword lol...

I'm actually a bit surprised that they at least never gave Zhao Yun a unique spear weapon, in spite of him being a Sentinel, but I guess CA just wanted to restrict classes to certain weapon types. He could have been a neat Sentinel / Vanguard hybrid, but he at least uses the Blue Blade as a unique weapon. He does end up obtaining the Blue Blade in the romanticized lore anyways, so it works.

Zhao Yun's only real flaw is that he doesn't put out as much AoE damage as Vanguards and some Champions. You can bog him down for quite a while with a bunch of melee troops if you don't want to duel him, but he WILL eventually break free if he can get some assistance.

It's strange: Champion's are supposed to be the prime duelists, but Sentinels end up being far better duelists; especially Zhao Yun, who can obtain the highest melee evasion if I am not mistaken. His insane melee evasion in accordance with the later-tier ability 'Elemental Vigour', which is a passive ability that goes through 5 phases depending on how long Zhao Yun is in combat, make him the best duelist in the game. Each phase of 'Elemental Vigour' gives Zhao Yun more melee evasion and grants him 'unbreakable' while he is in the 5th phase. If he has access to this passive ability, he'll even beat Lu Bu and Guan Yu with ease.

Also another interesting point that in the novel, Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang and Xu Shu often mentioned that Zhao Yun was a vanguard general by birth, a gift sent by the heavens to be a vanguard general. Later on in his life during Zhuge Liang nothern expedition, it mentions that if Zhuge liang didnt use him as the vanguard general, he would commit suicide but CA decided to make a him a sentinel lol....
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