Traits Are The Enemy!!

[Hereaux]

I love total war. I love Shogun 2 and 3k. I love 'em! In both of them, I hate the traits - moreso in 3k because historical best friends can become sworn rivals. Just like that! Am I wrong guys? Devs, help. This cannot go on. I love the teamwork of Cao Cao and Xiahou Dun, but I can't play a campaign without one turning on the other and it is a little frustrating.

I believe, opinion here, that it would be epic if the characters developed historical traits - meaning traits to fit their character. OR, benefit of the doubt here, point me in the direction of some kind of guide to explain how/if traits are acquired based on your play style.

What are you guys' opinion on the matter? I'm not a fan of the trait system.

[Brown]

I started a game and was right next to Yuan Shao. I play on legendary so taking him on right off the bat was out of the question. I had enough trouble from all my other neighbors already so I buddied up with him. I got a friendship trait between us after I made some diplomatic trades with him. +50 to our relationship. It was sweet. It helped me maintain my friendship with him until I was powerful enough to not worry about him anymore. Then I lost the trait. And our relationship started to deteriorate. I believe the trait started because of my use of diplomacy with him. It didnt last forever. It adds an edge to the game that you cannot control totally but you do have some say in it at least. Sort of like real life. You cant control everything. I think it adds an edge to the game that makes it more challenging.

[MrMurLock]

I really wish they'd have a preset trait list for each of the unique characters just to cement / define their personality, playstyle and relationships with other uniques.
I do feel though that it's fair game for random generals to have random traits as well.

[BastardSword]

I really hate it when I have two good generals and need a blue or green general to complement them, and all of the ones I can recruit have negative guanxi with one or both of the first two guys.

[ぐー]

You can still pair two negatives together.

In time they will learn to like each other.

[Hereaux]

Originally posted by ぐー:

You can still pair two negatives together.

In time they will learn to like each other.

Is this legit? I haven't tried it. If that's the case, it'll heal my traumatized soul! Dx

[Hereaux]

Originally posted by TomAce:

I started a game and was right next to Yuan Shao. I play on legendary so taking him on right off the bat was out of the question. I had enough trouble from all my other neighbors already so I buddied up with him. I got a friendship trait between us after I made some diplomatic trades with him. +50 to our relationship. It was sweet. It helped me maintain my friendship with him until I was powerful enough to not worry about him anymore. Then I lost the trait. And our relationship started to deteriorate. I believe the trait started because of my use of diplomacy with him. It didnt last forever. It adds an edge to the game that you cannot control totally but you do have some say in it at least. Sort of like real life. You cant control everything. I think it adds an edge to the game that makes it more challenging.

That's very fair. I had not thought about it that way. I suppose the edge does keep it interesting. I like that.

[TDBD-SEBN]

Originally posted by Demoria:

Originally posted by ぐー:

You can still pair two negatives together.

In time they will learn to like each other.

Is this legit? I haven't tried it. If that's the case, it'll heal my traumatized soul! Dx

yeah they still can become friend and oathsworn as long as you give them battles, but the penalty for satisfaction on their opinion is still there. but I will not give them work in offices together. rivals happen a lot when two incompatible people are in court together.

[Hereaux]

Originally posted by Finn:

Originally posted by Demoria:

Is this legit? I haven't tried it. If that's the case, it'll heal my traumatized soul! Dx

yeah they still can become friend and oathsworn as long as you give them battles, but the penalty for satisfaction on their opinion is still there. but I will not give them work in offices together. rivals happen a lot when two incompatible people are in court together.

Nice! On the battlefield they can become buddies but in the court, rivals. Got it! Thank yew!

[BastardSword]

Originally posted by ぐー:

You can still pair two negatives together.

In time they will learn to like each other.

In my experience usually they get more negative. But I've never had someone leave my faction because of having a negative relationship with another general. Satisfaction is what will cause generals to leave, and usually you can make it more positive with reforms and ancillaries.

If they are positive and have been together a while and keep strengthening their relationship, they will get the oathsworn buff which I think is a morale boost. I don't think negative relationship will do anything to them. I've had generals go into a rage when another general falls even though the two of them had a bad relationship.

Usually I ignore the negative relationship thing because it doesn't seem to affect much. I always try to put a green general and a blue general in all my armies for spear guards and trebuchets, and it seems like 90% of time I can't get anyone with a positive relationship together.