Isn't the Eight Princes DLC a bit unbalanced?

[Preceptorbat]

I'm playing as Sima Ai and just trying to finish up acquiring Lingling whose faction is already at war with me from the start. On my 15th turn, i've barely started establishing my Commanderies when this Jin Empire declares war on me.

Ok, i thought most factions in 3K declare war on you but don't immediately attack unless you become aggressive, 2 turns after that this Jin Empire attacks my lands with FULLY stacked army and absolutely annihilates my army, occupies my territory. And i haven't reached 20th turn yet.

Isn't this a bit unbalanced?.

[ItsJeffinGood]

Nope

[Pink]

Didn't try Sima Ai yet, but he is still very much alive well past turn 60(and probably one of the most powerful princes in my game).

Did you get quests from the Empress that you failed? There must be a reason why the Jin Empire went to town on you. They do not behave at all like the Han Empire did in the base game though.

I am playing as the guy that starts all the way to the left (forgot his name), and I was at peace with the Jin for most of my game (even though the other princes kept offering me tons of money to go to war, but it would make me untrustworthy and I had decided that for once, I would play the as the good guy). Finally, I got to the point where it was convenient for me to go to war (or so I thought, their armies are way stronger than mine). To the south I was swarmed by 3 armies, managed to defeat the first but couldn't get away from the other two on time.

To the north I had my leader rushing the Jin silk and horse towns, what a mistake... their armies are way too advanced for me for now...

But I wouldn't say unbalanced, its more about preparation.

[JuX]

How did you manage to loose with Sima Ai?

His archers are incredibly overpowered which never run out of arrows in battle. Not to mention their stats look strong for a melee as well.

[Preceptorbat]

Originally posted by Pink:

Didn't try Sima Ai yet, but he is still very much alive well past turn 60(and probably one of the most powerful princes in my game).

Did you get quests from the Empress that you failed? There must be a reason why the Jin Empire went to town on you. They do not behave at all like the Han Empire did in the base game though.

I am playing as the guy that starts all the way to the left (forgot his name), and I was at peace with the Jin for most of my game (even though the other princes kept offering me tons of money to go to war, but it would make me untrustworthy and I had decided that for once, I would play the as the good guy). Finally, I got to the point where it was convenient for me to go to war (or so I thought, their armies are way stronger than mine). To the south I was swarmed by 3 armies, managed to defeat the first but couldn't get away from the other two on time.

To the north I had my leader rushing the Jin silk and horse towns, what a mistake... their armies are way too advanced for me for now...

But I wouldn't say unbalanced, its more about preparation.

Hey man this may have been the cause, the Empress told me to wage war against a faction, i opted to fund that war instead of directly declaring war at them, this could be the reason lol. I think you're playing as Sima Liang.

[Preceptorbat]

Originally posted by JuX:

How did you manage to loose with Sima Ai?

His archers are incredibly overpowered which never run out of arrows in battle. Not to mention their stats look strong for a melee as well.

Sheer numbers man, i was having 700 troops, Jin Empire 1800+

[JuX]

Originally posted by Preceptorbat:

Originally posted by JuX:

How did you manage to loose with Sima Ai?

His archers are incredibly overpowered which never run out of arrows in battle. Not to mention their stats look strong for a melee as well.

Sheer numbers man, i was having 700 troops, Jin Empire 1800+

By the sound of it you aren't even trying to raise an army. Not to mention in major troops differences you can also bait the enemy to assault your walls for additional advantages.

You need to stop caring about making a profit and defend your realm with soldiers, crushing enemy armies is easiest way to establish peace. Especially with Sima Ai you want to raise armies and conquer the entire south of China. Two full retinue generals are even enough to accomplish this task.

[StevoTheOutlaw]

Mopping up my Sima Ai legendary campaign atm, was pretty damn easy to be honest.

[Lars]

Hey, can somebody coach me a way to increase the number of armies with Sima Ai campain? I upgraded all tech and has advisor as a strategist (with reach ability) but currently I only have 8 armies. It's a way too small number compared to the grand campaign.

[Reizei]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1837729310 I finished the campaign in Legendary mode.

[Preceptorbat]

Originally posted by Reizei:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1837729310 I finished the campaign in Legendary mode.

Nice, this gives me motivation to complete my campaign lol.

[BastardSword]

In my first campaign I failed some "help the Jin" mission and a few turns later the Jin Empire declared war on me. They invaded with 2 full stack armies, I somehow managed to defeat both of them with literally about 5 men left out of the single army I could afford. The next turn the remaining badly deplenished Jin army took over one of my cities, and the next turn the army was nearly healed up to 100%. I bailed on the campaign because of how ridiculous this was.

I restarted and did everything I could to stay on the Jin's good side, and finished the campaign without them ever being at war with me. Kind of boring but it worked.

[NamThunder]

You think it's hard? Try Sima Liang. At the start, you got three faction, one being Sima Wei, warring against you at the start, and the Juristriction currency limited how much you can expand your territory, forcing you to rely on building tall and getting vassals, which I would say, was insufferable consider the BS diplomacy and how you can lose them for not joining their war that you absolutely not wanted. And as Sima Liang, vassals are needed to increase Juristriction so you can expand more.

I mean, one of my vassal got into a fight with the Jin Empire, and I have to join to keep them as my vassal. Now I have two borders to defend, something that many player would want to avoid.

[󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by Reizei:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1837729310 I finished the campaign in Legendary mode.

how much money do you make from trade, maybe I should have gotten some vassals with him,

[Björn]

every DLC is unbalanced on release since they do not test anything... Even new bugs show up with a new DLC and take weeks to repair.

[Preceptorbat]

Originally posted by BastardSword:

In my first campaign I failed some "help the Jin" mission and a few turns later the Jin Empire declared war on me. They invaded with 2 full stack armies, I somehow managed to defeat both of them with literally about 5 men left out of the single army I could afford. The next turn the remaining badly deplenished Jin army took over one of my cities, and the next turn the army was nearly healed up to 100%. I bailed on the campaign because of how ridiculous this was.

I restarted and did everything I could to stay on the Jin's good side, and finished the campaign without them ever being at war with me. Kind of boring but it worked.

That's what i'm planning to do as well. I think i refused to wage war against a faction that the Empress told me to, instead i chose to fund the war, yup sure enough Jin Empire declared war on me and massacred my army lol.