Zhang fei losing a duel against cao cao best joke ever

[Zigobardu13:)]

happen to me i was clapping my hands/great job... great job
i was playing the bandit's queen before, only started a new campaign with liu bei a few day ago
it's like that since the start of the game or a patch have done it?
poor zhang fei what they have done to you x)

[Romain]

Originalmente postado por Zigobardu13:):

I think another faction defeated Lu Bu, hired him, then released him shortly afterwards.

Noooo...

I read a tips from a guy here once. He told us that he's always keeping an empty minister slot in case. So that's what I do now.

[Okita Asada]

I think Cao Cao is too strong. There's literally nothing in the book to justify him being so strong in combat.

[shiggies713]

i would prefer commanders and even vangaurds dueling ability be toned down maybe with the exception of a few unique characters like Lu Bu. There is no way some scrub vanguard should ever kill Guan Yu in a duel. Same as characters like Liu Bao and Cao Cao really shouln't be beating anyone in a duel or even accepting them for that matter.

[Romain]

There's a rematch button at the end of the battle. You should click on it. Other generals can buff your duelist with the proper ability.

Do you think guys that the legend Muhammad Ali never lost a fight... kidding. Sometimes it's just not your day...

Nobody lose every duel in the game with Lu bu or Guan Yu I suppose....

And there is a lot of unknow legend in history... so...

You'll be happier by changing your point of view rather than waiting for update.

[LuNi]

Cao Cao is a commander and Shang Fei is a vanguard. Vanguards are extremely bad at dueling.

[Zigobardu13:)]

amazing to see ppl defending and argue like it's normal to see that ingame x)
vanguard or not it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ zhang fei not a random.

If i follow the argue so lu bu is a vanguard and if he lose a duel against cao cao or liu bei you will say oh it's ok it's vanguard... and against a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ commander so normal totally fine...
cao cao is a commander and what? commander are the best duelist in game now?no.
if it's just a story of vanguard against commander and see commander better at duel than vanguard i think it's bad and i prefer lubu and zhang fei to not be one clearly if nothing change

But i think they can still stay vanguard and do great job if you make the stat correct.
I repeat with lubu never lost a duel when the game was out and have no fear to make him duel. Yeah i have not face the best with him like guan yu and if it was happen he lost some against very good duelist ok no problem can happen i don't want them to be invincible god or if he was low level compare to the ennemi no problem.
but Zhang fei against cao cao at the same level in fair fight wtf.

So i can deal with vanguard not the best or good at duel and better against many soldier but not when the vanguard are lu bu or zhang fei that are know for being very strong and see one of them lose badly against cao cao (we all know cao cao is a god in duel and far better than Zhang fei ahahah), was not even a close duel.

Why not sima yi kick ass to liu bei or some ♥♥♥♥ like that x) (and before someone say it yeah strategist canno't duel i know)

A good solution in my opinion is a change of his stats for make him better, just enough for him to not lost against cao cao or a random commander but not too much for other like zhao yun, guan yu etc and class design for duel to beat him.

[Zigobardu13:)]

and just now what i see a level 6 xiahou dun green class lost against a level 4 guess what? vanguard i think the good thing to do it's just quit the romance mode and all my problem will be gone x)

[Romain]

A lot of you make a lot of statements... but actually never run some tests (with kind of scientific method, and not based on what you seem to see...) Most of players probably don't even know all the parameters you need to judge properly (army wide buff both sides, abilities, tired or not, anciliaries, are you Guan Yu or it is your enemy, randomness of the duels, difficulties and so on)?

So your complaining about something you don't really know

Originalmente postado por Zigobardu13:):

A good solution in my opinion is a change of his stats for make him better, just enough for him to not lost against cao cao or a random commander but not too much for other like zhao yun, guan yu etc and class design for duel to beat him.

very very easy to say... It's not just a stat problem. what is the armor lvl of my enemy? what is the armor piercing of my weapon? Does he have a spear, an axe, a Ji?

If you want CA adjust maybe 20 parameters that are interacting with each others just to be sure this guy could kill this one, you're asking far too much. we need to keep it real.

Either you predict the outcome, which is absolutly boring, without any kind of interest. I don't want superheros cutting generals (cornerstone of a battle...) like butter, not even the god of war.
or you create a system where you can LOSE somtime...

I played 767 hours legendary, and I maybe saw once something stupid in duel. (But As I said, it's not a scientific method)

[Faultzone]

also depends on what buffs are going on, melee evasion is really strong so if that is getting beefed up (or even brought down) by some outside source then that will make for a pretty rough duel for the one with low evasion. the armor/armor penetration on some items may need some rebalancing as well.

[Zigobardu13:)]

Originalmente postado por romain.deschamps61:

A lot of you make a lot of statements... but actually never run some tests (with kind of scientific method, and not based on what you seem to see...) Most of players probably don't even know all the parameters you need to judge properly (army wide buff both sides, abilities, tired or not, anciliaries, are you Guan Yu or it is your enemy, randomness of the duels, difficulties and so on)?

So your complaining about something you don't really know

Originalmente postado por Zigobardu13:):

A good solution in my opinion is a change of his stats for make him better, just enough for him to not lost against cao cao or a random commander but not too much for other like zhao yun, guan yu etc and class design for duel to beat him.

very very easy to say... It's not just a stat problem. what is the armor lvl of my enemy? what is the armor piercing of my weapon? Does he have a spear, an axe, a Ji?

If you want CA adjust maybe 20 parameters that are interacting with each others just to be sure this guy could kill this one, you're asking far too much. we need to keep it real.

Either you predict the outcome, which is absolutly boring, without any kind of interest. I don't want superheros cutting generals (cornerstone of a battle...) like butter, not even the god of war.
or you create a system where you can LOSE somtime...

I played 767 hours legendary, and I maybe saw once something stupid in duel. (But As I said, it's not a scientific method)

nice one make me smile with your scientific method Mr legendary.
i can agree with you it's "very very easy to say... It's not just a stat problem" and can agree some buff can change the outcome and you know what perhaps your right perhaps something i have not see have change the outcome like unwavering earth. enjoy the romance it's my last game in this mode will not play romance anymore so no problem.


faultzone
the evasion of zhang fei was superior to cao cao weapon /armor the legendary of the start nothing crazy really other hero was dead by guan yu so they canno't buff him. all test i do in strict 1/1 are fine both level 5 Zhang fei win everytime i must have miss something but really don't see what

[shiggies713]

honestly i've found it really has nothing to do with what type of general they are. I have Xu Huang, in my current playthrough. I rarely see him mentioned as a top duelist, but he sure is. He is a sentinel. Main reason he is a beast though is his armor and weapon (mountain cleaver, 2.7k armor piercing dmg). Thats basically it, he has no abilities that improve his dueling ability.

You can give any old joe blow the trident halberd and some unique armor and they will instantly be one of your top duelist. Active buffs can help absolutely, but you can have all the active buffs you want, if I got some unique weapon with 3k armor piercing and you are using some refined junk you are gonna get cut down i dont care who you are.

[Virthuss (法國人在台灣)]

Originalmente postado por shiggies713:

honestly i've found it really has nothing to do with what type of general they are. I have Xu Huang, in my current playthrough. I rarely see him mentioned as a top duelist, but he sure is. He is a sentinel. Main reason he is a beast though is his armor and weapon (mountain cleaver, 2.7k armor piercing dmg). Thats basically it, he has no abilities that improve his dueling ability.

You can give any old joe blow the trident halberd and some unique armor and they will instantly be one of your top duelist. Active buffs can help absolutely, but you can have all the active buffs you want, if I got some unique weapon with 3k armor piercing and you are using some refined junk you are gonna get cut down i dont care who you are.

Xu Huang has been my best duelist for some games as well.

Coming to CaoCao, in VH/Legendary he is an absolute beast in duels. Doesn't seem really historical but according to the man's importance during the era, let's say it's ok