Zhang Liao's class?

[Truetobi91]

So Zhang Liao is currently classified as sentinel that comes with many defensive probabilities. Do you think that's fitting? His achievements of defending He Fei for a very long time against superior armies of Wu might suggest that but his crushing victories did come from furious attacks against the Wu troops from unexpected angles. Also his past service under Lu Bu suggest that he's quite a fierce fellow.

I could imagine him being a vanguard especially since Cao Cao lacks them.

What do you think about that?

[Nero]

I'd like him to be a champion. Then he could use a glaive. No one uses one, except Guan Yu but only on hte highest level.

There's not enough champions and Wu needs one. Huang Gai and Lu Meng could have been one...

[JTW]

Originally posted by WitchingSnake:

I'd like him to be a champion. Then he could use a glaive. No one uses one, except Guan Yu but only on hte highest level.

There's not enough champions and Wu needs one. Huang Gai and Lu Meng could have been one...

Vanguards use glaives too though.

[Nero]

For some reason no one in MP and custom battles.

[JTW]

Originally posted by WitchingSnake:

For some reason no one in MP and custom battles.

Ahh wasn't aware of that.

[Queco Jones21]

I agree. Need more champions all around.

[Truetobi91]

Originally posted by Queco Jones21:

I agree. Need more champions all around.

Well at least Cao Cao does have Dian Wei, Xu Chu and Xiahou Dun while only having Xiahou Yuan as Vanguard.

[Queco Jones21]

Originally posted by Truetobi91:

Originally posted by Queco Jones21:

I agree. Need more champions all around.

Well at least Cao Cao does have Dian Wei, Xu Chu and Xiahou Dun while only having Xiahou Yuan as Vanguard.

That is true, he is the exception though. And he gets a ton of Sentinals.

Sun Jian is full of vanguards. Even most chidlren he has during the course of the game become vanguards...

[Xhal]

Well its also possible Cao Cao gets nothing. In my campaign with him not a single special character showed up except the 2 you start with.

[Truetobi91]

Originally posted by Xhal:

Well its also possible Cao Cao gets nothing. In my campaign with him not a single special character showed up except the 2 you start with.

Which is why I'm doing planning for major modding once the modding tools come out.

[JTW]

Originally posted by Truetobi91:

Originally posted by Xhal:

Well its also possible Cao Cao gets nothing. In my campaign with him not a single special character showed up except the 2 you start with.

Which is why I'm doing planning for major modding once the modding tools come out.

There's already a mod out that gives everyone their correct characters, it even has a bunch of custom characters since CA didn't implement all of the important characters themselves.

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c0bqs4/mod_compilation_before_workshop_release/

[Ronin]

So sad Zhang Liao didn't have his weapon whilst Lu Bu had his .. looked odd seeing them stand side by side in this game compared to DW

[Queco Jones21]

Originally posted by Bryanito:

So sad Zhang Liao didn't have his weapon whilst Lu Bu had his .. looked odd seeing them stand side by side in this game compared to DW

You can always switch his weapon to the Twin Ji's (plus 9 expertise and instinct), IF you get them.

[Antonidas]

Indeed. Four out of Cao Cao's Five Great Generals are sentinels. He just has too many sentinels. However, the bigger problem with him might be the lacking of strategists. You might get Guo Jia pretty early on, but 1. Jia Xu is with Dong and without a special background; 2. Xun Yu is the tutorial enemy of Zheng Jiang making him impossible to recruit as Zheng will almost certainly kill him; 3. Xun You somehow is a Commander rather than Strategist; 4. and I do not think I have ever seen Cheng Yu, Liu Ye or Dong Zhao. This is absurd because Cao Cao is well known for his inner circle of advisors.

[Lie Chen Zhou]

Originally posted by Antonidas:

Indeed. Four out of Cao Cao's Five Great Generals are sentinels. He just has too many sentinels. However, the bigger problem with him might be the lacking of strategists. You might get Guo Jia pretty early on, but 1. Jia Xu is with Dong and without a special background; 2. Xun Yu is the tutorial enemy of Zheng Jiang making him impossible to recruit as Zheng will almost certainly kill him; 3. Xun You somehow is a Commander rather than Strategist; 4. and I do not think I have ever seen Cheng Yu, Liu Ye or Dong Zhao. This is absurd because Cao Cao is well known for his inner circle of advisors.

Jia Xu is historically correct, he worked for Dong at first just like Zhang Liao
and he only joined Cao Cao after he and Zhang Xiu defeated Cao Cao with a much smaller force several times.

Xun Yu as Zheng Jian fodder needs to change tho... poor guy

[Gray Riders]

Originally posted by Antonidas:

Indeed. Four out of Cao Cao's Five Great Generals are sentinels. He just has too many sentinels. However, the bigger problem with him might be the lacking of strategists. You might get Guo Jia pretty early on, but 1. Jia Xu is with Dong and without a special background; 2. Xun Yu is the tutorial enemy of Zheng Jiang making him impossible to recruit as Zheng will almost certainly kill him; 3. Xun You somehow is a Commander rather than Strategist; 4. and I do not think I have ever seen Cheng Yu, Liu Ye or Dong Zhao. This is absurd because Cao Cao is well known for his inner circle of advisors.

Cheng Yu and the others are in the game (looking at the data files) but I don't recall seeing them either. I suspect they're often part of the list of officers that gets hired by the Han then sits in the court forever (looking at the files the Han seems to ignore officer satisfaction--or at least the "I want a higher court position" penalty--so people it snaps up then leaves in the court stay there forever).