Dong Min?

[tree of gingers]

I read a bunch of the book, and I have no idea who this guy is. He seems to show up in every campaign for some reason though, and he's not very interesting compared to what happens in the book.

i saw a neat suggestion on totalwar.com from someone called cools for how to fix this:

"Dong Min's succession to Dong Zhuo is absurd, becuz once the assassination plot succeeds, the Dongs were guaranteed to be all executed(both in records and romance).
My suggestion on how to rework this event chain:
After assassination, all the Dongs should die alongside with Dong Zhuo (yes, even his 90 yrs old mother). The temporary leader of Dong Zhuo faction should be Wang Yun, with Lu Bu as his second-in-command.
Then the realm should be divided between Wang Yun and Li Jue , with Wang Yun holding Chang'an and Li Jue controlling some random provinces and a majority of the faction army, a faction civil war broke out between them.
The outcome of this civil war would decide the future of the former Dong faction:
Li Jue's victory(the usual outcome without player interference) would led to Wang Yun being killed, Lu Bu leaves for employment from other factions. Li Jue controls Emperor Xian, and basically has the same playstyle/special mechanic as Dong Zhuo(just another cruel Liangzhou warlord hijacking the emperor).
Wang Yun's victory would led to his firm control of Emperor Xian, the removal of Dong Zhuo's intimidation mechanic(because he is not Dong Zhuo, but a Han loyalist scholar-official trying to restore the Han empire), and an event to restore the Han Emperor as the ruler of faction when the Emperor come to age."

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/244844/theme-suggestion-do-away-with-dong-min

I think something like that would be a great idea, and would make the campaign even more interesting :]

[Jerroser]

From what I have heard he was the younger brother of Dong Zhuo, who was killed along with the rest of the Dong Clan following his assassination. In their faction he is set as the starting heir, so when the game kills off Dong Zhuo it just puts him in charge of the faction with nothing else really changing.

This whole process could very well do with a re-design to try and reflect how they played out historically. Or at the very least not carry on as if nothing really happened and Lu Bu remaining in the faction with the Dong's still in charge despite killing its previous leader.

[Aelies von Saladir]

Yeah, Wang Yun and Lu Bu should seize power in Chang'An and wipe out the entire Dong clan immediately upon Dong Zhou's assassination. Killing Dong Zhou and still leave his brother in charge just makes no sense.

[𝕄𝕣.𝕊𝕖𝕧𝕖𝕟]

I think what they could do to make the campaign more interesting, would be to allow you to create your own faction. There’s enough vacant space on the map to do it, and it might honestly help balance stuff out more.

[Nero]

He wouldn't show up if Li Jue and Guo Si would do a proper civil war. A message does come up about them but I never saw them accomplish anything and usually they then show up in my court for hire.

[tree of gingers]

Originally posted by WitchingSnake:

He wouldn't show up if Li Jue and Guo Si would do a proper civil war. A message does come up about them but I never saw them accomplish anything and usually they then show up in my court for hire.

Yeah, I saw that message too. It'd be nice if they had a much higher chance of succeeding, or at least of causing more instability, assuming that a civil war really does happen (I was on the other side of the map, so I couldn't really see)

[Jerroser]

Originally posted by canadian ice queen:

Originally posted by WitchingSnake:

He wouldn't show up if Li Jue and Guo Si would do a proper civil war. A message does come up about them but I never saw them accomplish anything and usually they then show up in my court for hire.

Yeah, I saw that message too. It'd be nice if they had a much higher chance of succeeding, assuming that a civil war really does happen (I was on the other side of the map, so I couldn't really see)

I just assumed that despite what the game tells you, their rebellion doesn't actually happen and the faction itself remains unchanged aside from having a new leader.

[Chris]

Originally posted by Jerroser:

Originally posted by canadian ice queen:

Yeah, I saw that message too. It'd be nice if they had a much higher chance of succeeding, assuming that a civil war really does happen (I was on the other side of the map, so I couldn't really see)

I just assumed that despite what the game tells you, their rebellion doesn't actually happen and the faction itself remains unchanged aside from having a new leader.

You are correct, nothing happens, they are all still in the faction Guo leaves and takes his units with him. Lu Bu that murder is still there full stack. No civil war happens. I know this because I play Ma Teng, and it pisses me off. The story events are poorly done in this game. It mentions them, but nothing really takes place. Take Sima Yi for example. His event kicks off, Cao Cao gets him in is court, but cannot keep him because he requires higher office. and if all offices are filled. (which the Computer will have already done) Sima Yi leaves and will show up in your court. The Dong Min faction should not be a thing.

[Griever]

The problem with this type of event designing is that there are too many variables. Even if the plot fails, Dong Zhuo normally dies less than 10 years after the game starts of old age. Should Dong Min succeed then? What if Li Jue or Wang Yun die before the event triggers? What if Chang An is taken by another faction?

I imagine this is one of the reasons the events they've included are so bare bones. Anything more sophisticated is doomed to failure the moment one of the conditions isn't met, and in this game that will be pretty much every time.

[tree of gingers]

Originally posted by Griever:

The problem with this type of event designing is that there are too many variables. Even if the plot fails, Dong Zhuo normally dies less than 10 years after the game starts of old age. Should Dong Min succeed then? What if Li Jue or Wang Yun die before the event triggers? What if Chang An is taken by another faction?

I imagine this is one of the reasons the events they've included are so bare bones. Anything more sophisticated is doomed to failure the moment one of the conditions isn't met, and in this game that will be pretty much every time.

well, only make the events trigger if all the conditions are met, then. that doesn't actually sound that hard to me tbh. the hard part is actually coding the events to be more than a text box, which they didn't do yet. here's hoping, though :]

[Jerroser]

Originally posted by canadian ice queen:

Originally posted by Griever:

The problem with this type of event designing is that there are too many variables. Even if the plot fails, Dong Zhuo normally dies less than 10 years after the game starts of old age. Should Dong Min succeed then? What if Li Jue or Wang Yun die before the event triggers? What if Chang An is taken by another faction?

I imagine this is one of the reasons the events they've included are so bare bones. Anything more sophisticated is doomed to failure the moment one of the conditions isn't met, and in this game that will be pretty much every time.

well, only make the events trigger if all the conditions are met, then. that doesn't actually sound that hard to me tbh. the hard part is actually coding the events to be more than a text box, which they didn't do yet. here's hoping, though :]

Given how close to the start of the campaign it is, I doubt to many things will changed to get in the way. Even then they could also make it so some parts of the event chain are a bit more open ended based on circamstances, such as Li Jue and Guo Si being replaced by different characters if only one or neither of them is alive following the event.

[crashonwar]

+1

[tree of gingers]

maybe they could even make it so whoever was Dong Zhuo's best non-family general (apart from Lu Bu), upon Dong Zhuo's death, automatically forms a new faction at war with Dong Min, and is given 3 full stacks next to Chang'an. or something like that. doesn't sound that hard to do that.