I just came back, and I literally..cannot play anymore.

[Merpageddon]

I left this game for a while to give it a break and play other things, just recently came back and was excited about the more fleshed out changes and whatnot. After playing for a while, I cant. I literally. Cannot with this game anymore.

I used to main the rocket launcher/grenade launcher. Back when it was overly broken I guess...Cause I came back to it nerfed into the ground, and almost unusable unless you go for massively increasing the critical damage and chance.. Then comes the minigun which I cant even get past the first wave of islands. This is on Normal and up to Ruby in the challenge modifiers, and then later Nightmare still up to Ruby. Got a few good runs though with some other weapons with and without friends and randoms, although lately I cant even run my own lobby the game HAS to put me with someone else for SOME REASON.

It was tolerable.

Lately? The last like...I dont know...3 weeks? No.

♥♥♥♥. No.

So I cant. The lightning crabs constantly one-shoting me from either 2 inches from my face in an unavoidable attack, or a stray shot from somewhere that I didnt even see and launched myself into. Or what about the fact my weapons will still do like 20 damage despite the SIX DAMAGE MODS I have directly on it. I cannot win. I try dual pistols, the very beginning weapon, minigun, orb launcher, THE FING MARKSMAN, flamethrower, I CANNOT WIN. Unless I play the same old way I used to (which was launcher, and a whole lotta crossing my fingers now) I lose...I miss the old crab champions where the guns were broken and you could literally just launch yourself AS BASE LAUNCHER, and just go on a killing spree...Now?? I want to end my runs as fast as possible IF I can, cause its not fun. Why do you have to nerf weapons on a game that doesnt really need it?? I dont get it...

Anyway, yeah.

I cant. Im 1000% gonna continue playing cause I hate myself, but. I cant man...why you gotta ruin something that had such a huge potential?????? Unless your gonna turn this PvP or some weird story mode thing..just bring back the old broken weapons they were fun.

[Bug Guy]

This game is moving forward, and I really think Noisestorm is doing a great job. The melee weapons are collectively in one of the best places theyve been. Ability builds are more powerful than ever. Ice is actually a usable element. The new weapon is fun. Theres still a lot of jank to fix, but im sorry to say that this game will keep evolving, and that means that sometimes the things we like about a version will change. I kinda miss starting with 300 health on a run and healing Max HP from hearts, but I understand that it was unbalanced.

True Nightmare is probably in the best spot its been in for a very long time. Rocket Launcher is more powerful than its been in the last year and half, I wouldnt put it down just yet, but you do have to be a little more accurate with it as it has splash damage falloff. Minigun is still the strongest weapon in the game I think, I would give it another try if youre still struggling!

The game feels a lot different now, so it might take some time to get a feel for it. Ive been playing pretty consistently and even I, after this latest patch, took several days before I found the rhythm again

Im not saying all this to put you down by the way. I just wholely and heartily disagree that Noisestorm is ruining this game. I think its flourishing. Its really starting to become the strong Roguelike it deserves to be.

I hope your runs start going better for you, friend. best of luck

[Flubbred]

I did struggle with lightning crabs as well, but now they are mostly okay. Just gotta make circles around the map while hitting them. Same with shotgun and fire crabs. Once in rhythm, it gets pretty doable

[Ninja Zyborg]

rocket launcher is pretty bad with crit. try going for triple shot, split shot, arc shot, etc.

[Dopey Shepard]

Those 2 weapons you used to main are pretty low in my personal tier list. I don't think anybody holds either one of the 2 in high regard either.

Minigun is a god tier weapon because of how many things work on it. Maybe you are doing something wrong? It's supposed to work even on "Diamond" tier (TNM). Maybe you got bad upgrades. After all, this is an RNG game but then again, you can't just epicly fail every single time early game anyway. Try to do more runs. Use your grenade and melee on cooldown. I suggest you use Ice Grenade (the best one) to just freeze them all and either Hammer or Pickaxe as melee to create extra airtime allowing you to dodge enemy attacks a bit more


Lightning crabs are nasty but they actually now are weaker than they were last 2 big updates. They don't fire as many projectiles and their projectile speed is slower allowing you to react better. Just stay away from them, and react to their attacks, and just dodge

[Rideps]

Just remember, there was a time when Blade Launcher was considered good.

[Merpageddon]

Originally posted by Bug Guy:

This game is moving forward, and I really think Noisestorm is doing a great job. The melee weapons are collectively in one of the best places theyve been. Ability builds are more powerful than ever. Ice is actually a usable element. The new weapon is fun. Theres still a lot of jank to fix, but im sorry to say that this game will keep evolving, and that means that sometimes the things we like about a version will change. I kinda miss starting with 300 health on a run and healing Max HP from hearts, but I understand that it was unbalanced.

True Nightmare is probably in the best spot its been in for a very long time. Rocket Launcher is more powerful than its been in the last year and half, I wouldnt put it down just yet, but you do have to be a little more accurate with it as it has splash damage falloff. Minigun is still the strongest weapon in the game I think, I would give it another try if youre still struggling!

The game feels a lot different now, so it might take some time to get a feel for it. Ive been playing pretty consistently and even I, after this latest patch, took several days before I found the rhythm again

Im not saying all this to put you down by the way. I just wholely and heartily disagree that Noisestorm is ruining this game. I think its flourishing. Its really starting to become the strong Roguelike it deserves to be.

I hope your runs start going better for you, friend. best of luck

I do believe the game is in a lot better spot than what it originally was, I could do around 3-4 runs before I quit due to how broken everything was admittedly.

I think the way I try and build just isnt working and thats whats mostly frustrating about the whole thing, like I said Im still gonna play. This is one of the few single player games I actually enjoy even with the madness.

[Merpageddon]

Originally posted by Flubbred:

I did struggle with lightning crabs as well, but now they are mostly okay. Just gotta make circles around the map while hitting them. Same with shotgun and fire crabs. Once in rhythm, it gets pretty doable

I can handle and manage shotgun crabs, fire crabs are....manageable. Lightning crabs have been the bain of my existence since Ive come back, if I could just NOT get like 2-3 of them in one arena Im fine. Its when I have to go against 2-3 of them that it becomes a quest of "try not to hit the purple orbs that are going everywhere"...I was reading everywhere that they even got hella nerfed and I just stare at my death screen asking when.

[Merpageddon]

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Those 2 weapons you used to main are pretty low in my personal tier list. I don't think anybody holds either one of the 2 in high regard either.

Minigun is a god tier weapon because of how many things work on it. Maybe you are doing something wrong? It's supposed to work even on "Diamond" tier (TNM). Maybe you got bad upgrades. After all, this is an RNG game but then again, you can't just epicly fail every single time early game anyway. Try to do more runs. Use your grenade and melee on cooldown. I suggest you use Ice Grenade (the best one) to just freeze them all and either Hammer or Pickaxe as melee to create extra airtime allowing you to dodge enemy attacks a bit more


Lightning crabs are nasty but they actually now are weaker than they were last 2 big updates. They don't fire as many projectiles and their projectile speed is slower allowing you to react better. Just stay away from them, and react to their attacks, and just dodge

I usually run hammer, I didnt like the pickaxe much but I may go back. Im trying to up my account rank past sapphire and I already got my mains to ruby or emerald so been trying to run everything else to see what I can. Which is where my issues are really are..I can get to the fire islands if I focus hard enough and cross my fingers and toes. But most the time I die within the first few rounds of the ice islands.

Funnily enough...Its when im in the air USING my hammer is where Im noticing Im dying alot at. Cause it doesnt provide immunity...Might just have to run the main meta again for a bit to figure everything out again.

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by Hehehehehe:

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Those 2 weapons you used to main are pretty low in my personal tier list. I don't think anybody holds either one of the 2 in high regard either.

Minigun is a god tier weapon because of how many things work on it. Maybe you are doing something wrong? It's supposed to work even on "Diamond" tier (TNM). Maybe you got bad upgrades. After all, this is an RNG game but then again, you can't just epicly fail every single time early game anyway. Try to do more runs. Use your grenade and melee on cooldown. I suggest you use Ice Grenade (the best one) to just freeze them all and either Hammer or Pickaxe as melee to create extra airtime allowing you to dodge enemy attacks a bit more


Lightning crabs are nasty but they actually now are weaker than they were last 2 big updates. They don't fire as many projectiles and their projectile speed is slower allowing you to react better. Just stay away from them, and react to their attacks, and just dodge

I usually run hammer, I didnt like the pickaxe much but I may go back. Im trying to up my account rank past sapphire and I already got my mains to ruby or emerald so been trying to run everything else to see what I can. Which is where my issues are really are..I can get to the fire islands if I focus hard enough and cross my fingers and toes. But most the time I die within the first few rounds of the ice islands.

Funnily enough...Its when im in the air USING my hammer is where Im noticing Im dying alot at. Cause it doesnt provide immunity...Might just have to run the main meta again for a bit to figure everything out again.

And what is your "main meta", I'm afraid to ask? Cuz Hammer is meta. It's literally one of the strongest weapons available out of all the melees/grenades or ranged weapons. Just draw Blender, and start improving it. Before you know it, you will be flying all over the map, almost never landing on the ground. It's crazy good, basically overpowered. Being airborne DOES protect you from many enemy attacks if you are playing on True Nightmare (In Ultra Chaos crabs tend to jump after you)

Again you didn't specify what you actually die to. Ice Islands? So what, you struggle with blocker crabs or smth? I think those ones spawn a lot in that biome. Just stay away from them, they will try to catch you off guard unlike regular crabs. Is it the Icy Slugs that explode with AOE that you die to?

[Merpageddon]

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Originally posted by Hehehehehe:

I usually run hammer, I didnt like the pickaxe much but I may go back. Im trying to up my account rank past sapphire and I already got my mains to ruby or emerald so been trying to run everything else to see what I can. Which is where my issues are really are..I can get to the fire islands if I focus hard enough and cross my fingers and toes. But most the time I die within the first few rounds of the ice islands.

Funnily enough...Its when im in the air USING my hammer is where Im noticing Im dying alot at. Cause it doesnt provide immunity...Might just have to run the main meta again for a bit to figure everything out again.

And what is your "main meta", I'm afraid to ask? Cuz Hammer is meta. It's literally one of the strongest weapons available out of all the melees/grenades or ranged weapons. Just draw Blender, and start improving it. Before you know it, you will be flying all over the map, almost never landing on the ground. It's crazy good, basically overpowered. Being airborne DOES protect you from many enemy attacks if you are playing on True Nightmare (In Ultra Chaos crabs tend to jump after you)

Again you didn't specify what you actually die to. Ice Islands? So what, you struggle with blocker crabs or smth? I think those ones spawn a lot in that biome. Just stay away from them, they will try to catch you off guard unlike regular crabs. Is it the Icy Slugs that explode with AOE that you die to?

I didnt specify cause half the time I dont even know, I just. Die.

And I dont have a 'main meta', I meant the meta everyone else is using to be able to beat things again. I dont play on True Nightmare, just Nightmare with a bunch of mods on to get to base Ruby right now. Hence why Im even more frustrated that Im dying, cause Im not even running the hardest difficulty right now.

I also run 90% of my runs holding Shift+Spamming the space bar.

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by Hehehehehe:

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

And what is your "main meta", I'm afraid to ask? Cuz Hammer is meta. It's literally one of the strongest weapons available out of all the melees/grenades or ranged weapons. Just draw Blender, and start improving it. Before you know it, you will be flying all over the map, almost never landing on the ground. It's crazy good, basically overpowered. Being airborne DOES protect you from many enemy attacks if you are playing on True Nightmare (In Ultra Chaos crabs tend to jump after you)

Again you didn't specify what you actually die to. Ice Islands? So what, you struggle with blocker crabs or smth? I think those ones spawn a lot in that biome. Just stay away from them, they will try to catch you off guard unlike regular crabs. Is it the Icy Slugs that explode with AOE that you die to?

I didnt specify cause half the time I dont even know, I just. Die.

And I dont have a 'main meta', I meant the meta everyone else is using to be able to beat things again. I dont play on True Nightmare, just Nightmare with a bunch of mods on to get to base Ruby right now. Hence why Im even more frustrated that Im dying, cause Im not even running the hardest difficulty right now.

I also run 90% of my runs holding Shift+Spamming the space bar.

if anything I learned how to jump intuitively. I also do aiming slowdown with single claw weapons a lot so I jump, then aim

Also, pressing Aim button while jumping will allow you to dash an extra time regardless of "Stamina" perk so keep that in mind too

Slide - Hammer - Dash, possibly Aim+Dash again
or Slide - Dash - Hammer - Aim+Dash

Try to maximize air time as many of these crabs cannot reach you in the air

If you were to find Ring (Relic) Of Low Gravity, just pick it up and see for yourself. You'll be surprised how few enemies can even deal with you when you are flying around

Also, look out for jump boosters. Memorize them all. Being in the air is GOOD

You can boost your jump booster even further by sliding into it and then holding jump button. If you do it very well, you will get enormous jump, much higher than your regular jump without using this technique

So learn how to do this thing almost every single time, keep aiming in mid air to get the extra dash for air time

Once you do learn all these cool strats, TNM shouldnt be that hard for you. It's the only "Real" difficulty in the game imo. Anything less is just weird and Ultra Chaos is, basically, designed to be unfair so TNM it is

[Limdood]

Someone comes to the forum after a long time talking about how they're struggling with the new changes to clear normal+modifiers or regular nightmare.

People jump in and go on about how the game is easy if you just learn how to do X,Y, and Z, and how anything under their super special ultra favorite difficulty just doesn't matter/count...


No wonder these forums are just the same tired voices going around in circles...

[Dopey Shepard]

You of all people should agree that the only "real" difficulty in the game is True Nightmare. It's supposed to be hard. For others, probably harder than for us. If you die on normal nightmare, it's all fixable. I gave that person some very good pointers, whether they take them in and use them, it's up to them. The game probably went through significant changes last time they played. I only joined here in january 2024, after Variety Update 1 was released so I didn't get to play the earliest iterations of the game

Also, I never said the game is "easy" or anything

Also, it's not me who says something doesn't "count" - it's literally Noisestorm, he is the one who designed the system to give you highest rank of Diamond only for those who clear Loop1 on True Nightmare. If you only get rubies, those aren't diamonds. You won't get all the achievements or skins, for what they're worth.

Calm down