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Gorwe Nov 21, 2019 @ 3:38pm
Balance?
I mean...I get it that Elessa is a Wood Elf and blessed by Isha, but why does she get that uber hp regen? It trivializes the entire leveling part! Because it's obscene and you can combo it with the area regen!

Not to mention the Multi Shot, the super powerful Glaive...it probably changes in the endgame, but...

How's the balance? It don't look too auspicious.
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Darkness Nov 21, 2019 @ 6:08pm 
If you're finding the game easy, just increase the difficulty to balance it.

Characters can have broken builds early on, yeah. Late game it's much harder to happen and reliant on items.
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The Guiding Light Nov 21, 2019 @ 10:43pm 
Originally posted by Gorwe:
I mean...I get it that Elessa is a Wood Elf and blessed by Isha, but why does she get that uber hp regen? It trivializes the entire leveling part! Because it's obscene and you can combo it with the area regen!

Not to mention the Multi Shot, the super powerful Glaive...it probably changes in the endgame, but...

How's the balance? It don't look too auspicious.
play it on one of the chaos difficulties then come back and whine more about getting one shot by daemons...it never ends
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Kanonen-Gerda Nov 22, 2019 @ 12:18am 
My few cents: Who cares about balancing in non-competitive games?! I just play the character I have fun with personally switching forth and back. Even using non-effective builds (maybe reduce C-level) if it is fun to play for me ...
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Gorwe Nov 22, 2019 @ 12:34am 
Originally posted by Kanonen-Gerda:
My few cents: Who cares about balancing in non-competitive games?! I just play the character I have fun with personally switching forth and back. Even using non-effective builds (maybe reduce C-level) if it is fun to play for me ...

I guess it's hard to have fun to me if a thing's not really effective. Compare Slayer with all his heals who ends up more tanky and with more dps than Konrad and Konrad has...what exactly? This isn't an MMO so you have someone healing you as a tank.

I guess Konrad should get a source of obscene Regen somewhere in God tree(or something). I know that Elessa has it due to Isha, but...gameplay wise, Konrad needs it much more.
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Kanonen-Gerda Nov 22, 2019 @ 1:13am 
Originally posted by Gorwe:
Originally posted by Kanonen-Gerda:
Compare Slayer with all his heals who ends up more tanky and with more dps than Konrad and Konrad has...what exactly? This isn't an MMO so you have someone healing you as a tank.

Cannot complain about Vollen at all (playing him atm). At least for me it yields more than enough healing, damage reduction & output and provides group support skills. For me it is DmgReduce > Healing if I need to decide - Damage you don't get you do not nead to heal. :D
And with using the Apothecary passive your potion usage as Vollen also heals team mates and drops more heal potions to the ground (on hit and potion use).

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1912041164

But you are right in the sense that - as most devs - with each patch the cut down prior supreme builds. Usually then you find "some new combination" that works. At least for me the "tuning" is part of my fun.
Last edited by Kanonen-Gerda; Nov 22, 2019 @ 2:20am
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^DreeMax^ Nov 23, 2019 @ 12:16pm 
Originally posted by Gorwe:
Originally posted by Kanonen-Gerda:
My few cents: Who cares about balancing in non-competitive games?! I just play the character I have fun with personally switching forth and back. Even using non-effective builds (maybe reduce C-level) if it is fun to play for me ...

I guess it's hard to have fun to me if a thing's not really effective. Compare Slayer with all his heals who ends up more tanky and with more dps than Konrad and Konrad has...what exactly? This isn't an MMO so you have someone healing you as a tank.

I guess Konrad should get a source of obscene Regen somewhere in God tree(or something). I know that Elessa has it due to Isha, but...gameplay wise, Konrad needs it much more.

Excuse me? Konrad having one of the most highest damage in whole game (if not the highest in full crit build). You do something wrong. And with his passives and even with lowered chance of block/blocked damage (if you take Blessing for Brave) he is still tanky af.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1919096890
Last edited by ^DreeMax^; Nov 23, 2019 @ 12:16pm
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Darkness Nov 23, 2019 @ 1:29pm 
Konrad is only good late game, that's why he hasn't seen it. He was the lamest one in leveling imo.
Last edited by Darkness; Nov 23, 2019 @ 1:29pm
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Gorwe Nov 23, 2019 @ 2:20pm 
Originally posted by Darkness:
Konrad is only good late game, that's why he hasn't seen it. He was the lamest one in leveling imo.

Yeah, this is it. I don't doubt that he can pull some retal <-> crit <-> block shenanigans later on, but he doesn't have any "oh ♥♥♥♥" button. Sure, he's a tank, but that only takes you so far. Look at Bragi and his active defenses, look at Elessa and her busted regen...
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Darkness Nov 23, 2019 @ 7:00pm 
Honestly, the most stupid leveling character is Mage when he gets level 15 and unlocks the active God skill on his alt tree "Knowledge Is Power" thing, it breaks the game so much early-mid that it's really funny to watch.
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Gnk* Nov 24, 2019 @ 3:49am 
Lol good to know...Mage is my next character to level-up! :happyelf:
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Gorwe Nov 24, 2019 @ 6:03am 
Originally posted by Darkness:
Honestly, the most stupid leveling character is Mage when he gets level 15 and unlocks the active God skill on his alt tree "Knowledge Is Power" thing, it breaks the game so much early-mid that it's really funny to watch.

What? I don't see any such skill...

(also, how to enable Hardcore mode? Or increase stash for that matter.)
Last edited by Gorwe; Nov 24, 2019 @ 6:09am
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Darkness Nov 24, 2019 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by Gorwe:
What? I don't see any such skill...
Requires the Gods pack DLC (honestly, I found all alternate god skill trees more interesting in general for all characters)

I think it's called Arcane Manifestation

Here is it in use
Last edited by Darkness; Nov 24, 2019 @ 7:30am
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Gorwe Nov 24, 2019 @ 7:31am 
Originally posted by Darkness:
Originally posted by Gorwe:
What? I don't see any such skill...
Requires the God's pack DLC (honestly, I found all alternate god skill trees more interesting in general for all characters)

I think it's called Arcane Manifestation

Here is it in use

Yes, AM does exist. KiP does not though. Thank you for mentioning it.

Now, about the Hardcore and Stash...?
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Gorwe Nov 25, 2019 @ 3:44pm 
ffs, Konrad's early game REALLY sucks!

Devs should rebalance him so he is less of a late game, multiplayer focused character.
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Kanonen-Gerda Nov 26, 2019 @ 4:53am 
My personal taste is: Better bad early game than late game, since early game is over quickly while late game (maybe) lasts longer. :D
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