The hopper glass

[pev69]

Has anyone found any difference between breaking or not breaking the water hopper glass in the water moon? I broke it the first time and not in the second playthrough and did not see anything different in how the game continues.

[eisen]

AFAIK there's no difference.

[worstcase11]

Only one difference I can think of -> what to use to block the beam.
If you have an item like a box or a tablet to cover up the lense, then you can leave the glass undamaged. But if you found/brought none of these items, you have to use the cloth from the flag that was buried near the hatch. And then you have to break the glass first so you can put the flag properly into the aparatus.

[Specific Beef]

I had a ceramic tile, so the option to use any other object never came up. I did smash the glass just as a further final experiment after I'd done everything else I could in that area, but the repeat of the river creation process didn't change in any way and nor did the results on the moon's surface.

[Silent Falcon]

It seems to me that the point of smashing/not smashing the glass is about the narrative. Is Aliya the kind of person who destroys a whole moon's water supply, (because they're evil overlords, because she's mean), or isn't she(and by extension, you)?
It doesn't seem to affect the gameplay, except maybe a line or two at the very end of the game might change, if you do the shutdown ending.
Despite a lack of consequences in the game, Six makes it clear that in the story, your actions here have great consequence for the characters on Iox. It seems to me that the question posed is, 'will you do the right thing, even when no one is watching?' Perhaps the writers should have given more of a consequence either way, but it's an interesting question as it stands. Will you leave a way for Iox to have water again later, potentially, or not?

[pev69]

@Silent Falcon I haven't played for a long time, but as I remember it if you want to progress in the game you have to block the flow, and blocking it leads to Iox not having the water, and breaking the glass makes no difference to that. So no, your morality argument has no point here.

[ernstt]

Morality isn't an argument, it's a way of beying humanistic or not.
Do you have empathy with the rest of the citisens of Iox, or don't you care at all?
Or has your moral compass been stained by Myari's cruel evilness?

Do you like to destruct or to construct, that's the question :-)

I would like to try to get all rivers flowing again, because anybody who has followed secondary school should know that every atom is 7+ Billion years old, or even older according your beleef in the loop theory :-)

So the water can't sip away, it will alway's be pulled to the nearest point of gravity, after it has lost its momentum by the infinitly small drag in space which is protruded by the magnet fields around celestial bodies. (otherwise it would be possible for the waterdrops to speed on beyond the borders of the known universe. (but that, well is way off-topic, no?)) :-)

[pev69]

@ernstt What?! Morality is not an absolute and therefore it can very well be an argument like any other human opinions or value systems that depend on who defines them! And as for this particular instance, as I said you have to block the flow to Iox or you cannot travel to the last world/moon and reach endgame. That is the "morality" that the devs have chosen as the only option for progress regarding the water hopper at that point.

[ernstt]

Are you Shure ?
Morality is a state of beying, a kind of thinking, the underlying filosofy of humanity.
I see an Argument as a 'Tool' to get your thoughts comprehended by the reader/listener.
(Or you can define an Argument as a Quarrel when receavers don't have arguments, and arent open to learning that a change of mind isnt the end of things, just a new beginning...)

I'm with you, that nor Morality or any argument is absolute, even the deadliest poison can be a madicine, but to me Morality is a state of being aware of the fact that no one can live alonewe all depend on the empathy of society, something Moralists more often than not are unable to comprehend.

It would not wonder me, that when you get to HV, it might be possible to recreate old Rivers now long gone, there are many conversations about the over abundance of water on Maersi, and the surplus of stored crops, and the Aquifer is filling up from somewhere, the water stops rising, but the part where you first walk through is a gorge which first have to be filled before the woter can rise any further.

Then there is a whole quadrant in the west of solid water, when helle defreezes, even the Library will be able to sprout plats as sturdy as trees :-)

I'm way less shure than you, but i wonder, could it be the Crafts(Wo)men had enough time and resourches to build that narritive into the game, i myself like to doubt they try to enforce everyone to let Iox wither away.

And a bit of consolation, i've been to the four corners where in quite cruelly hot Desert surroundings the Hopi still are able to produce arable crops, and believe it or not, when i was in Death Valley of all places... it was in full bloom :-)

So Iox could if they stepped off their high horses attitude, take the annals of Mazwai, let Aliya and Huang translate all the hidden knowledge stashed by the Mid-Evil priests in the Archives, and instead of wreckleshly demoralise the colonised people of teh oppressed moons, into One-People, and gree the Worlds of Ruler made 'shortages'.

Its a bit the story of the Colonial thinking of the upper class here in Europe, they scare anybody into thinking we are going full throttle into a Enviromental Energie crises...

Me myself think of Heavens Vault as a sublimal message to al the ruler class induced crisis, to re-vault against the repressive Alt Right Aristocats.

Lets Re-Vault into a better world !!!

Lats take the Gates down, no not Bill or Melinda, the Finntech Mobsters in their Gated Community, if they spread their wealth onto all rivers of life, nobody would be so poor and desillusionised they take over the bad stealing habits of the Ruling Rightwingdingdings.

Let the Weath and Waters flow, from here to Zanzibar and beyond...

Oh and Inkle, give us a DLC to repair the three Hoppers on the Aquifer Moon, then when we have learned the Ancient way of Ummah, we can re-build the Sailers Univers to practice for a rebuilding of Society without Borders and Millisecond Mafia Traders...

Why not make it possible to take the portholes on the Hermits Moon, to replaces the Broken and dirty Hopperglasses all around, i counted 5 at the wreck of Renbi's Griffon...

Does this story have a Moral, yes we can, be shure of that.
(though it could be the Moral Compass got broken by the ever greedy investors, we'll see.

On the bottem of the Pit,
i thought: here comes Death.
This is the end of it...

But wait, no fright
Who Hoppers me to Elbereth
By a green light...


[off-topic]
Now some Re-Vaulting reality, which is strikingly congruent with the Ioxian Colonialism.

Reality isn't quite different, in Germany there are now so many private house owners with Solar roofs and farmers with subsidised windmills, the last years they produces an Positive energy Crises, their networks were overheating, so they gave the Netherlands free Energy, and even *millions of Euros* to burn their surplus of renewable energy.

The days with negative energy prices (think of it, you don't have to pay for electricity, now you get it for freeeee and even give you money the more you help them to get rid of it.

In the first 5 months Germany has produced enough renewable energy to provide all private households of Germany *and* the Netherlands with electricity for the whole of 2020 !

Hard to believe, not? Go and Google ... Energie Negativ Preise

Der Energieversorger E.on rechnete vor:
Von Januar bis Juni seien rund 126.000 Gigawattstunden Grünstrom ins Netz eingespeist worden – ...
Das sei rechnerisch genug für den Strombedarf aller Haushalte in Deutschland und den Niederlanden zusammen für das ganze Jahr.

Still the New Aristocats who taken over our governments make our Energy more and more expensive, we could all drive Tesla's for free, so no City would stink of Diesel and catalitic H2S.
[/off-topic]

In Heavens Gate there are lots of Hoppers, in real life there is lots of HOPE :-)