Favorite Assault Rifle

[DeadSilent]

What's everyone's favorite and why? I did some testing and for me, the SCAR-L is the best all around assault rifle. I ran the same battle from a save file multiple times, using the same units and taking the same positions. These are the assault rifles I used, along with their stats:

GROZA.....60 dmg, 600 m.velocity
AUG..........50 dmg, 590 m.velocity
AKM74......56 dmg, 600 m.velocity
M16A5......45 dmg, 620 m.velocity
AK12.........52 dmg, 560 m.velocity
SCAR-L.....48 dmg, 670 m.velocity

I used 60 level 3 Armed Bodyguards for the test. The enemy consisted of a level 7 force with 48 Uman Terrorists and 10 Armored Marauders. I ran the battles two times with each assault rifle and took positions on a hillside with plenty of cover. I did not assist in the battles at all. I did an average on the casualties, because grenades are extremely OP atm with their large blast radius and ability to seemingly ignore cover.

The AKM74, AK12, and M16A5 performed about the same. I'd wipe out the enemy force with an average casualty count of 9. Average post battle prisoner count for the AKM74 and AK12 was 3, but the M16A5 was 5.

The GROZA and AUG did better and had nearly identical results. I'd wipe out the enemy force with an average casualty count of 5. Average post battle prisoner count 1.

The SCAR-L in my opinion, gave me the best results. I'd wipe out the enemy force with an average casualty count of 3. Average post prisoner count was 5.

All of this is anecdotal and could vary from person to person. I'm not sure how muzzle velocity works in this game, but if I had to guess based on my results, it might be the weapon's effective range. Even though the SCAR-L is the 2nd worse on my list in terms of damage, it seems to have a much bigger effective range. It's also not as expensive as some of the more damaging rifles and only requires a 7 marksmanship which makes it a great choice at lower levels.

[SouthRican]

Originally posted by DeadSilent:

What's everyone's favorite and why? I did some testing and for me, the SCAR-L is the best all around assault rifle. I ran the same battle from a save file multiple times, using the same units and taking the same positions. These are the assault rifles I used, along with their stats:

GROZA.....60 dmg, 600 m.velocity
AUG..........50 dmg, 590 m.velocity
AKM74......56 dmg, 600 m.velocity
M16A5......45 dmg, 620 m.velocity
AK12.........52 dmg, 560 m.velocity
SCAR-L.....48 dmg, 670 m.velocity

I used 60 level 3 Armed Bodyguards for the test. The enemy consisted of a level 7 force with 48 Uman Terrorists and 10 Armored Marauders. I ran the battles two times with each assault rifle and took positions on a hillside with plenty of cover. I did not assist in the battles at all. I did an average on the casualties, because grenades are extremely OP atm with their large blast radius and ability to seemingly ignore cover.

The AKM74, AK12, and M16A5 performed about the same. I'd wipe out the enemy force with an average casualty count of 9. Average post battle prisoner count for the AKM74 and AK12 was 3, but the M16A5 was 5.

The GROZA and AUG did better and had nearly identical results. I'd wipe out the enemy force with an average casualty count of 5. Average post battle prisoner count 1.

The SCAR-L in my opinion, gave me the best results. I'd wipe out the enemy force with an average casualty count of 3. Average post prisoner count was 5.

All of this is anecdotal and could vary from person to person. I'm not sure how muzzle velocity works in this game, but if I had to guess based on my results, it might be the weapon's effective range. Even though the SCAR-L is the 2nd worse on my list in terms of damage, it seems to have a much bigger effective range. It's also not as expensive as some of the more damaging rifles and only requires a 7 marksmanship which makes it a great choice at lower levels.

I'm already equiping the AKM74 to most units, as it is extremely well used in the hands of Terrorist, Ponzar Commandos, Military Riflemen, among others.

[DeadSilent]

Originally posted by SouthRican:

I'm already equiping the AKM74 to most units, as it is extremely well used in the hands of Terrorist, Ponzar Commandos, Military Riflemen, among others.

I did this for a long time as well, since the Uman units seem to drop them like candy.

[Lack of Stuff]

Man I wish we had the SCAR-H and AK-15.

[Demon of Razgriz]

I like the AUG with the SCAR as close second.

Though it still bugs me whenever I hear the words "assault rifle".

As much as I don't like the media for all their manipulations, I still have to give them credit for making up a term that didn't exist and pretending that the AR stood for that and then getting said term into mainstream use (to the point that most people don't even realize that AR didn't stand for that).

[Tacitus]

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

I like the AUG with the SCAR as close second.

Though it still bugs me whenever I hear the words "assault rifle".

As much as I don't like the media for all their manipulations, I still have to give them credit for making up a term that didn't exist and pretending that the AR stood for that and then getting said term into mainstream use (to the point that most people don't even realize that AR didn't stand for that).

The U.S. media didn't make up the term "assault rifle." It's a literal translation of the name of the first true weapon of that category, the Stg-44 fielded by the Germans starting in 1944, and it has been in common parlance for decades before the whole gun control nonsense these days.

More on topic: my favourite assault rifle is the Groza; before that I was relying on the AKM-74 with a 4X scope. The SCAR-L may have great muzzle velocity, but 48 damage per shot is a bit too low to reliably take down dangerous enemies. The nice thing about the Groza is that it seems to be loaded with all tracer rounds, which makes judging the fall of your shots much easier.

I want to like the M416 more, but it has the same issue as the SCAR-L: impressive muzzle velocity, but low damage. I personally haven't noticed much difference in trajectory between the SCAR-L and AKM74, or even the Groza. If I can't hit a target with the Groza, I wouldn't be able to hit it with the SCAR-L reliably.

[Terrortoma]

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

I like the AUG with the SCAR as close second.

Though it still bugs me whenever I hear the words "assault rifle".

As much as I don't like the media for all their manipulations, I still have to give them credit for making up a term that didn't exist and pretending that the AR stood for that and then getting said term into mainstream use (to the point that most people don't even realize that AR didn't stand for that).

When the media refers to armed police wielding "machine guns" ... yeah, because the police totally walk around with Browning M2 .50 cals.

Or when the media refers to a sniper rifle as a sniper - two completely different words, and those terms are not interchangeable. Or the best one, when the media refers to a magazine as a clip - again, two completely different non-interchangeable terms. :)

[DeadSilent]

I should have probably clarified a bit more and asked about favorite assault rifle for your units.
When running the tests, I didn't contribute at all and let my units do all the work. I documented the results and to me the SCAR-L seemed to be the most effective in their hands. But, again I want to stress that the evidence is anecdotal and everyone's milage may vary.

Regarding the low damage of the SCAR-L, I didn't notice enough of a difference between 48 and 60 when you're mostly landing head shots, which was often a one hit kill with either rifle. What I did notice was less adjusting for Bullet drop with the SCAR-L. I did switch to using the Groza and an AWR from the SCAR-L, as I've gotten pretty good at hip firing without a cross-hair in close quarters. I get my long range kills with the AWR, then move in with the Groza to finish the last few stragglers on the map. The Groza just makes more sense when range is no longer a factor.

I will say that the test version has changed everything, and assault rifles are way more lethal. The Groza is now 95 damage - 600 velocity, while the SCAR-L is 72 damage- 670 velocity. Armor rating has stayed the same from what I can tell, so I might be retesting to see if the numbers come up differently.

[Demon of Razgriz]

Originally posted by Tacitus:

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

I like the AUG with the SCAR as close second.

Though it still bugs me whenever I hear the words "assault rifle".

As much as I don't like the media for all their manipulations, I still have to give them credit for making up a term that didn't exist and pretending that the AR stood for that and then getting said term into mainstream use (to the point that most people don't even realize that AR didn't stand for that).

The U.S. media didn't make up the term "assault rifle." It's a literal translation of the name of the first true weapon of that category, the Stg-44 fielded by the Germans starting in 1944, and it has been in common parlance for decades before the whole gun control nonsense these days.

More on topic: my favourite assault rifle is the Groza; before that I was relying on the AKM-74 with a 4X scope. The SCAR-L may have great muzzle velocity, but 48 damage per shot is a bit too low to reliably take down dangerous enemies. The nice thing about the Groza is that it seems to be loaded with all tracer rounds, which makes judging the fall of your shots much easier.

I want to like the M416 more, but it has the same issue as the SCAR-L: impressive muzzle velocity, but low damage. I personally haven't noticed much difference in trajectory between the SCAR-L and AKM74, or even the Groza. If I can't hit a target with the Groza, I wouldn't be able to hit it with the SCAR-L reliably.

Yes, they did. Go ask any person who doesn't know about firearms what the AR in AR-15 stands for. 99% of them will tell you "assault rifle".

It doesn't, but the media made everyone believe it does and now it has spread to other weapons in that category.

[[REDACTED]]

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

Originally posted by Tacitus:

The U.S. media didn't make up the term "assault rifle." It's a literal translation of the name of the first true weapon of that category, the Stg-44 fielded by the Germans starting in 1944, and it has been in common parlance for decades before the whole gun control nonsense these days.

More on topic: my favourite assault rifle is the Groza; before that I was relying on the AKM-74 with a 4X scope. The SCAR-L may have great muzzle velocity, but 48 damage per shot is a bit too low to reliably take down dangerous enemies. The nice thing about the Groza is that it seems to be loaded with all tracer rounds, which makes judging the fall of your shots much easier.

I want to like the M416 more, but it has the same issue as the SCAR-L: impressive muzzle velocity, but low damage. I personally haven't noticed much difference in trajectory between the SCAR-L and AKM74, or even the Groza. If I can't hit a target with the Groza, I wouldn't be able to hit it with the SCAR-L reliably.

Yes, they did. Go ask any person who doesn't know about firearms what the AR in AR-15 stands for. 99% of them will tell you "assault rifle".

It doesn't, but the media made everyone believe it does and now it has spread to other weapons in that category.

what are you on about lole every gun he listed is a documented fully automatic rifle, thus an assault rifle.

That's not what this post was even about.

My view on the topic: whatever does the most damage will always be in my hands. I'm a thinking human being, thus I can account for weapon-specific weaknesses and get the most out of the damage. I don't know how the AI works or how in-depth the wounding (prisoner) system is. So this was an interesting test either way as according to you, there were definite differences between weapons.
I wonder how the AI works with sniper rifles?

[Demon of Razgriz]

Originally posted by REDACTED:

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

Yes, they did. Go ask any person who doesn't know about firearms what the AR in AR-15 stands for. 99% of them will tell you "assault rifle".

It doesn't, but the media made everyone believe it does and now it has spread to other weapons in that category.

what are you on about lole every gun he listed is a documented fully automatic rifle, thus an assault rifle.

That's not what this post was even about.

My view on the topic: whatever does the most damage will always be in my hands. I'm a thinking human being, thus I can account for weapon-specific weaknesses and get the most out of the damage. I don't know how the AI works or how in-depth the wounding (prisoner) system is. So this was an interesting test either way as according to you, there were definite differences between weapons.
I wonder how the AI works with sniper rifles?

I was talking about how the term "Assault Rifle" did not even exist until the media decided to create. It always bugs me when I see people use that term, but it has become so common that people don't realize it was part of a manipulation campaign make them seem scary by giving them a scary sounding name.

However, as far as the game, like I said, the AUG is a pretty good one.

[[REDACTED]]

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

Originally posted by REDACTED:

what are you on about lole every gun he listed is a documented fully automatic rifle, thus an assault rifle.

That's not what this post was even about.

My view on the topic: whatever does the most damage will always be in my hands. I'm a thinking human being, thus I can account for weapon-specific weaknesses and get the most out of the damage. I don't know how the AI works or how in-depth the wounding (prisoner) system is. So this was an interesting test either way as according to you, there were definite differences between weapons.
I wonder how the AI works with sniper rifles?

I was talking about how the term "Assault Rifle" did not even exist until the media decided to create. It always bugs me when I see people use that term, but it has become so common that people don't realize it was part of a manipulation campaign make them seem scary by giving them a scary sounding name.

However, as far as the game, like I said, the AUG is a pretty good one.

Do you know what Sturmgewehr translates to?

[Demon of Razgriz]

Originally posted by REDACTED:

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

I was talking about how the term "Assault Rifle" did not even exist until the media decided to create. It always bugs me when I see people use that term, but it has become so common that people don't realize it was part of a manipulation campaign make them seem scary by giving them a scary sounding name.

However, as far as the game, like I said, the AUG is a pretty good one.

Do you know what Sturmgewehr translates to?

Ok, after looking I was wrong about that. The term did exist. I was wrong.

Now, if we can just get the media to admit when they are wrong and not keep actively lying to people about firearms.

[Sergeant_Braken]

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

Originally posted by REDACTED:

Do you know what Sturmgewehr translates to?

Ok, after looking I was wrong about that. The term did exist. I was wrong.

Now, if we can just get the media to admit when they are wrong and not keep actively lying to people about firearms.

Or maybe you can stop derailing the damn thread with this....

[Demon of Razgriz]

Originally posted by Sergeant_Braken:

Originally posted by Demon of Razgriz:

Ok, after looking I was wrong about that. The term did exist. I was wrong.

Now, if we can just get the media to admit when they are wrong and not keep actively lying to people about firearms.

Or maybe you can stop derailing the damn thread with this....

I was done derailing the thread. If you notice, my last response was 19 hours before you posted something..... You are the one who continued this. I admitted I was wrong. Stop trying to continue this.

You also haven't posted anything that contributes to the OP. I at least gave him my opinions on the best rifles earlier.

Again, the AUG is my favorite, but the SCAR is also very good.