Map Size is Fake and really just 20x20km

[RippieFlippie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vljP6-Uabz0

All gameplay videos so far show how you just count ~20cm as 1m distance. Guys come on! What is this? You just faked a factor 5 in.

Example Video:

Fake distance:
at 10min time mark -> 83km covered; gives average speed 500km/h

"should be" distance
real average speed as shown in game ~100km/h; at 10mins ~ 16km covered

You just count ~20cm map size as 1m!? Are you serious?

Now it also makes sense how you did the large maps in Unreal Engine, which is kind of limited to what you see in the Kite Demo. You just did not!
The 12,000km2 you say you have (~110km/110km) are really just ~400km2 (~22kmx22km).

People already notice this from the first gameplay videos on. Do you think this is funny?

[CiD EviL]

Just refunded my $50 pre-order i'll wait till the game is out and see what YouTubers have to say about it

[er185]

The developers said on Facebook that 1 kilometer in the game equals 180 meters in real life.

[RippieFlippie]

Originally posted by MMR93:

The developers said on Facebook that 1 kilometer in the game equals 180 meters in real life.

So the 12.000km2 refer to the real world size and what they fail to mention is that they compressed it to 20kmx20km=400km2, and that the 400km2 is what you have available for driving in the game. Great, marketing!

Then any game can claim something like 10000000km2, right?

[CiD EviL]

Originally posted by MMR93:

The developers said on Facebook that 1 kilometer in the game equals 180 meters in real life.

But they were also bragging in interviews how big the map is

[think]

Or ist it 12.000km2 ingame size and the real world size amounts to 67.000km2?

[76561198396412609]

Dear All,

The global map size of DAKAR 18 is +18.000km2 in-game, already with the respective reduction from scale!

And therefore, please allow me to clarify a few things.

Peru area is over 1.2M Km2
Bolivia area is over 1M Km2
Argentina Area is over 2.7M Km2

We recreated huge portions of the maps of those 3 countries using a 1:32 scale, based on the actual stage locations. The 18.000Km2 the game currently has ALREADY take into account the reduction of the size to fit in the game.

Take Stage 2, for instance. Roughly 280Km, a relatively small stage comparing with some of the others. https://www.dakar.com/en/rankings/stage-2

The best time for that stage on a car was around 3h (Depres, 2h56'). On my several attempts at it with a car, my best time was 47 minutes. This should give you an overall look at the size and proportions.

With these size reductions in place, aiming to fit the game with the original roadbooks' distances (stages go from around 250km to 750km, except stage 1), the amount shown as traveled in the game is a simulated adjustment. Hence those numbers you got.

Some stages in reality require around 5h of traveling and in the game you'll be able to finish them in roughly 1h30. But finishing times differ a lot, as you can see from the link, mostly due to navigation.

Feel free to ask any questions you might have

[A.G.Racer]

The crew map or Dakar map or Fuel Map? Whats bigger?

[CiD EviL]

Originally posted by Mota BM:

Dear All,

The global map size of DAKAR 18 is +18.000km2 in-game, already with the respective reduction from scale!

And therefore, please allow me to clarify a few things.

Peru area is over 1.2M Km2
Bolivia area is over 1M Km2
Argentina Area is over 2.7M Km2

We recreated huge portions of the maps of those 3 countries using a 1:32 scale, based on the actual stage locations. The 18.000Km2 the game currently has ALREADY take into account the reduction of the size to fit in the game.

Take Stage 2, for instance. Roughly 280Km, a relatively small stage comparing with some of the others. https://www.dakar.com/en/rankings/stage-2

The best time for that stage on a car was around 3h (Depres, 2h56'). On my several attempts at it with a car, my best time was 47 minutes. This should give you an overall look at the size and proportions.

With these size reductions in place, aiming to fit the game with the original roadbooks' distances (stages go from around 250km to 750km, except stage 1), the amount shown as traveled in the game is a simulated adjustment. Hence those numbers you got.

Some stages in reality require around 5h of traveling and in the game you'll be able to finish them in roughly 1h30. But finishing times differ a lot, as you can see from the link, mostly due to navigation.

Feel free to ask any questions you might have

How many stages and what's the estimate on how long will it take to do the full Dakar ?

[76561198396412609]

Originally posted by CiD EviL:

How many stages and what's the estimate on how long will it take to do the full Dakar ?

The 14 stages scheduled for the event are all present in the game.

The first one you should be able to complete in under 10m. But the other ones go from 45m to around 2 hours. Possibly more, depending on your navigation expertise and vehicle.

Finishing a whole Rally should take you well over 20h for each of the 5 categories. Could be less if you're playing in Rookie mode, with the navigation assists.

[er185]

Originally posted by gabdimension:

The crew map or Dakar map or Fuel Map? Whats bigger?

The Crew = 5.000 km2
Fuel = 14.400 km2
Dakar 18 = +18.000km2

[Underbird]

First of all, this game looks absolutely amazing and I cannot wait to get my hands on it!
In terms of the map size, however: According to the Rally Dakar homepage, there are "over 4500 km of special" stages in the 2018 edition of the Rally Dakar. Scaled down by 1:32, this means the total length of the stages should be close to 150 ("real") km in the game, shouldn't it?
This would roughly translate to the square root of 18*10^3 km^2, 134 km.

Best,
Brett

[CiD EviL]

Originally posted by Mota BM:

Originally posted by CiD EviL:

How many stages and what's the estimate on how long will it take to do the full Dakar ?

The 14 stages scheduled for the event are all present in the game.

The first one you should be able to complete in under 10m. But the other ones go from 45m to around 2 hours. Possibly more, depending on your navigation expertise and vehicle.

Finishing a whole Rally should take you well over 20h for each of the 5 categories. Could be less if you're playing in Rookie mode, with the navigation assists.

Ok thanks for getting back to me

[1337]

Originally posted by Lord Brett Sinclair:

First of all, this game looks absolutely amazing and I cannot wait to get my hands on it!
In terms of the map size, however: According to the Rally Dakar homepage, there are "over 4500 km of special" stages in the 2018 edition of the Rally Dakar. Scaled down by 1:32, this means the total length of the stages should be close to 150 ("real") km in the game, shouldn't it?
This would roughly translate to the square root of 18*10^3 km^2, 134 km.

Best,
Brett

150 unique driveable Kilometers is what other modern rally games like Dirt Rally or WRC 7 have.

[Bigmoon Entertainment]

Originally posted by 1337:

Originally posted by Lord Brett Sinclair:

First of all, this game looks absolutely amazing and I cannot wait to get my hands on it!
In terms of the map size, however: According to the Rally Dakar homepage, there are "over 4500 km of special" stages in the 2018 edition of the Rally Dakar. Scaled down by 1:32, this means the total length of the stages should be close to 150 ("real") km in the game, shouldn't it?
This would roughly translate to the square root of 18*10^3 km^2, 134 km.

Best,
Brett

150 unique driveable Kilometers is what other modern rally games like Dirt Rally or WRC 7 have.

Dear All,
Our PR & Community Manager already answered this topic, but we notice that remains some doubts regarding to the map of the game, so we will try to clarify the community.

DAKAR18 is a "Rally Raid". That means it is based on "Navigation" on a FULL OPEN WORLD. It is not comparable as other games based on linear tracks, roads or pre-loaded locations.
We already developed vehicles and tracks for other Rally games (WRC 3 / WRC 5 / MotoGP13) and they are Track based. That means they are linear. You can only race on tracks or small pre-loaded areas. We also love these games (where the gameplay is focused on pure driving inside a track), but please understand that BIGMOON never intended to "copycat" other great games. Why should we? Some of them are already great!
We decided to work on a different genre. A kind of Rally that was NEVER recreated before…. the "Rally Raid" genre, also known as "Cross Country Rally". All Rally Raids are based on freedom to race and to find "WayPoints" using ONLY the Road Books. These category of Rally is what we are working and will keep working in the future. Not better or worst comparing with linear tracks… but a totally different gameplay experience!

DAKAR18 brings a Huge Open World to a Rally game. That means you don't have a specific track / road to follow, you're free to go anywhere... and not only in the "Specials" (stages).
That said, we cant speak as "Km"… but as "Km2", since you can go anywhere, that means you can drive far far way from the location of the waypoints… and get lost.
And yes... the game have in total area, more than 18,000km2 (+7,000 miles2) inside of the game, already reduced from the real areas. The reduction is 1:32 scale from the reality.

BTW: DAKAR18 is based on DAKAR RALLY 2018 edition. "Dakar Rally" is not only a Rally Raid. It's called as "the toughest rally in the world". If you guys want to know what makes Dakar the toughest rally in the world, please check some blogs like this:
https://www.tvsmotor.com/blog/what-makes-dakar-the-toughest-rally-in-the-world/

Thank you all!

[RippieFlippie]

Originally posted by Bigmoon Entertainment:

Originally posted by 1337:

150 unique driveable Kilometers is what other modern rally games like Dirt Rally or WRC 7 have.

the game have in total area, more than 18,000km2 (+7,000 miles2) inside of the game, already reduced from the real areas. The reduction is 1:32 scale from the reality.

Thanks for the details! I guess a game like this attracts a simulation crowd, and they are quite nit-picky, so to say.

One last question to close the loop to my OP:
Are the 18000km2 (eg 133x133km) the kilometer number that is counting on top of the screen as a distance? No, right? The one at the top of the screen is 18000x32 from real world scale, right?

Sorry for the confusion. The speed of 500km/h in the game are somewhat hard to understand :)