what the hell?

[Painkiller]

Ok guys, i'm not posting just to flame on the game, is not bad, at least i suppose, the thing his: i don't understand where is the fun supposed to be, allow me to explain:
my experience with this game was atrocious, i know its a game where you have to use your brain and the environnement but, after hours of pure melee of randomness, joke of loot aaannnd even sparing my ammo at max to kill a Big Daddy.... its just end with no ammo and everything( yeah i know how to kill them, but even AP does nothing of damage to them, i try the swarm of bee to distract but they just don't give a ♥♥♥♥, the other ennemies are a pain in the a** as well, since i only use melee to keep my ammo, i mastered the melee attacks... they also dont take much damage and i never see some element to help me to max the damages.
So, since its supposed to be a good game, what did i miss, i already followed the advices from other players but it just dont do it and now i'm stuck because i dont found ammo or meds, and i still need to kills BD's , and it get worse or the difficulty stay on that level (i play on hard, and i refuse to play on med, there is no point if i can beat it)?

Metro was hard but not like that , when you spared some ammo it still served later, here is just saving balls of paper to throw at a tank, i like when its hard but still rewarding

Is Infinite hard as this one?

[flows]

Unfortunately I agree with you. Game is nice only for atmosphere, gameplay is weak: " ...after hours of pure melee ... sparing my ammo at max to kill a Big Daddy" is a good summary
Just before I decide to stop I apply some tips:
In all the case go for a drink either One Big cup of tea / coffee or beer (when you start to get nervous :) ) you will have to be passive and let environment work for you: (NPC like other BD, turrets)
*Just let you die; don’t waste money in Medi-kit, in all the case you will die! Use money only for buying ammo.
*Try to hack some turrets and attract your enemy in this trap …
*Convert other BD and let them fight for you …
Nevertheless I totally agree with you and i want to relat how it’s boring to hack a system “my god I cannot see one more pipe…”
About infitnity:
One of my good friend told me that Infinite is much easier but frankly speaking I do not dare to try.

[senseidongen]

Originally posted by flows:

One of my good friend told me that Infinite is much easier but frankly speaking I do not dare to try.

No no no! Infinite is awesome! Veeeery different feel to the combat, much more fast paced and better structured. I played Infinite first and am on Bioshock now and so far infinite is better in my opinion (I do like both though). The vigors (basically plasmids re-done) are much less of a pain than the Plasmids, particularly as you can use them without holstering your weapon :) Plus ammo is plentiful now (and is even fetched for you sometimes in combat!). Plus...

... No more pipe dream hacking mini-game! :D

Edit: Plus yes, Infinite is definitely easier

[Sengikar]

lol you don't like it so you need to tell us interesting i don't like 90% of games i have most of what i like but not all

[roosh]

Originally posted by Painkiller:

Ok guys, i'm not posting just to flame on the game, is not bad, at least i suppose, the thing his: i don't understand where is the fun supposed to be, allow me to explain:
my experience with this game was atrocious, i know its a game where you have to use your brain and the environnement but, after hours of pure melee of randomness, joke of loot aaannnd even sparing my ammo at max to kill a Big Daddy.... its just end with no ammo and everything( yeah i know how to kill them, but even AP does nothing of damage to them, i try the swarm of bee to distract but they just don't give a ♥♥♥♥, the other ennemies are a pain in the a** as well, since i only use melee to keep my ammo, i mastered the melee attacks... they also dont take much damage and i never see some element to help me to max the damages.
So, since its supposed to be a good game, what did i miss, i already followed the advices from other players but it just dont do it and now i'm stuck because i dont found ammo or meds, and i still need to kills BD's , and it get worse or the difficulty stay on that level (i play on hard, and i refuse to play on med, there is no point if i can beat it)?

Metro was hard but not like that , when you spared some ammo it still served later, here is just saving balls of paper to throw at a tank, i like when its hard but still rewarding

Is Infinite hard as this one?

Sounds like you're playing on a difficulty setting above your capabilities. I had to play on Easy my first try because the game is pretty difficult when you're just starting. I'm willing to bet if you made the switch, you'd have loads more fun.

Also, this: "but even AP does nothing of damage to them" Anti-personnel bullets aren't for Big Daddies. Save those for splicers. If you really wanna do some damage to a Big Daddy, hit him with armor-piercing rounds or electric buck from the shotgun.

Hope these tips helped! :)

[Painkiller]

...ahem, i don't want to look like an ass but AP stood for Armor piercing ^^
and even the electric damages looks completly useless and i always play my games on hard, but there is not a real hard diffulcty its a cheap hard difficulty: you don't fail because the ennemies are good, but because your weapons do les damage than normal and the deg of ennemies are way too powerfull, but i agree with the 2 first posts

[roosh]

Originally posted by Painkiller:

...ahem, i don't want to look like an ass but AP stood for Armor piercing ^^
and even the electric damages looks completly useless and i always play my games on hard, but there is not a real hard diffulcty its a cheap hard difficulty: you don't fail because the ennemies are good, but because your weapons do les damage than normal and the deg of ennemies are way too powerfull, but i agree with the 2 first posts

Ah haha sorry for the confusion. But with this game you really do have to drop the whole "games are only good on hard" mindset because it is an extremely difficult game.

[iNommmz]

My first round through, on my Xbox, I farmed Big Daddys after I cleared the LS (Good play through) to help bring my money up and to get ammo/health. Playing melee-centric is going to have adverse affects on your gameplay though. If you want to have a good, easy time I say go with shotgun/freeze, and pull out the grenade launcher and/or tommy gun in heavy situations. Always hack, and scour areas twice over for loot. I think there was a powerup of some kind that made it possible to re-search containers - use this and whenever the crafting items come up re-search for a chance at ammo, health, Hypos, or food. Besides that, just pay attentiont to the story and play on a lighter setting. I had a difficult time getting into the game because I got frustrated a lot (and I played long after its' hay-day so I was bored with the graphics and gameplay mechanics by that time), and I really had to focus on finding the audiologs and listening to Ryan and Atlas.

[iNommmz]

Okay, read the other comments, I have to add that the Big Daddy plasmid was probably the best thing my first play through. Just grab them whenever you can and lead them around for as long as it lasts. It's a lot better that way. Nab the turrets and alarms for yourself, too. Yes, a lot of people don't like the hacking (personally I do but I like the minigames like that and in Mass Effect and Bethesda's games so I can't really give an opinion), but just do it because it is worth it. The game is pretty difficult to get through because of these dated mechanics, but the story is sooooo very worth it. I can't stress that enough. Just pay attention to story, to all the named characters, and what the say. Don't EVER think that they're just talking to hear thier own voice, because the whole game is crafted so finely that every little detail counts.

And yea some beer or jack-n-cokes will help a lot, lol.

[KINGLYx]

This game is not meant to be easy. In the game you're not a god of war, and you can't just walk all over the enemies like you can in other games. You need to use strategy and use EVERY little thing that you can to gain an advantage. Bioshock is very much a detail oriented game.

Hack everything you can (yes I agree the hacking could be better, but it's VERY useful.)

Explore. Explore. Explore. Lots of useful items and things to help you can be found simply by taking your time and having a look around.

Save the high power ammo for the high power enemies. Regular old splicers don't need to be killed with electric buck shot.

USE THE PLAMIDS. They're there for a reason and are extremely helpful once you learn what they are most effective on.

Big Daddies are meant to be VERY difficult to kill. I've found that explosives work quite well on them. Use Electro Bolt on one and get a few rocket launcher shots off into one then back up because he will be coming after you. Then repeat.

You dont have to melee everything. Splicers go down without to much trouble especially if you've upgraded and researched properly. I go for a stun and kill strategy. Stun or freeze and then get those all too necessary first shots in.

It's a difficult game and should be treated as such. The whole "the game is not worth it if I don't play on hard" mentality doesn't really work in this game. The game is a somewhat of a challenge at times even on easy. Medium is the best balance of challenging but doable. Hard is just that. Very hard.

[iNommmz]

Oh yea and ALWAYS take pictures. The research is soooo helpful, it takes down the enemy's damage and increases yours, as well as giving you tips on what ammos and plasmid combos work best on what enemies. Be a damn hipster and take pictures like instagram is going out of style.

[roosh]

Originally posted by KINGLYx:

This game is not meant to be easy. In the game you're not a god of war, and you can't just walk all over the enemies like you can in other games. You need to use strategy and use EVERY little thing that you can to gain an advantage. Bioshock is very much a detail oriented game.

Hack everything you can (yes I agree the hacking could be better, but it's VERY useful.)

Explore. Explore. Explore. Lots of useful items and things to help you can be found simply by taking your time and having a look around.

Save the high power ammo for the high power enemies. Regular old splicers don't need to be killed with electric buck shot.

USE THE PLAMIDS. They're there for a reason and are extremely helpful once you learn what they are most effective on.

Big Daddies are meant to be VERY difficult to kill. I've found that explosives work quite well on them. Use Electro Bolt on one and get a few rocket launcher shots off into one then back up because he will be coming after you. Then repeat.

You dont have to melee everything. Splicers go down without to much trouble especially if you've upgraded and researched properly. I go for a stun and kill strategy. Stun or freeze and then get those all too necessary first shots in.

It's a difficult game and should be treated as such. The whole "the game is not worth it if I don't play on hard" mentality doesn't really work in this game. The game is a somewhat of a challenge at times even on easy. Medium is the best balance of challenging but doable. Hard is just that. Very hard.

PERFECTLY put, sir. :D

Originally posted by iNommmz:

Oh yea and ALWAYS take pictures. The research is soooo helpful, it takes down the enemy's damage and increases yours, as well as giving you tips on what ammos and plasmid combos work best on what enemies. Be a damn hipster and take pictures like instagram is going out of style.

Exactly this. Even if you don't like whipping out the camera too often, you should at least research heavily in the beginning because you get a few good tonics out of doing so. My favorite is the camoflauge tonic that lets you go invisible if you stand still. Veeery useful in Fort Frolic where there are tons of ambush sequences. :)

[The Traveler]

Well, playing on Hard is a bit stupid. I played through the game many times till I dared try Hard. BS2 feels easier, maybe because that game I played Hard since day one - for the stupid achievement hunt. Playing on Normal first time is recommended. And for a few more tips or guide for BioShock:

- don't waste your money or medkits at hard situations, just die and you wil lbe revived. plus your health and eve will be replenished slightly
- loot, loot, loot! there's hidden stuff at every corner, every trash container, every corpse, every hidden door, room or anything.
- save the Little Sisters, your reward wil lbe bigger and certain Tonics-Plasmids can be obtained this way, like the Hynotize Big Daddy
- check and upgrade your tonics and plasmids and buy new ones, no need to buy unknown ones, upgrade what you have and like. Electro Bolt is essential!
- upgrade your weapons with Power ot the Peolple station! you can have this a 21 shooter then a six-shooter :D
- use your environment, burn the enemies, if you see water, then you electro bolt on them :D throw every possible object against them with Telekinesis
- take photos, you can earn special tonics in this and only this way! like invisibility, if you stay still for a few secs

I really mastered this game. Last time I beated the game on Hard and without buying ANY medkit, ammot or stuff. Like Infinite Scavenger Hunt achievement. I spend the money for quick hacks or simply smashed health stations for loot. I also got a loadout for BS2 which makes you invincible!

[bullerbuller7]

You have no problems asking for help and whining on a forum. But playing on medium would be pathetic!
-I get the impression that you kill all the big daddies with a little sister. Earlier in the game it can be very hard to kill a big daddy, so just carry on and you can kill it later in the game. Items from the gatherers garden are not worth it if you have such a hard time killing a single big daddy.
-Telekinesis is the strongest weapon in the game. It is cheap and does a lot of damage.
-Later you would want to use the crossbow a lot too.
-Taking pictures of the houdini splicers will quickly give you the invibility tonic which is very overpowered.
-Exploding the health machines will give you 1-3 health packs.
-Kill the bouncer big daddies before the rosies. An easy way is to use the crossbow and the rocket launcer and electroduce them if they are close to hitting you.
-Fully research every enemy with the camera. You might even go back to previous locations to finish an enemy research. They make you deal a lot more damage towards them, and gives you powerful tonics, like the cameleon tonic.
-This game is not too hard. I am currently halfway through the game in a challenge where i can't die once and not using any overpowered strategies like the wrench and the invisible tonics, only hacking with the autohack tools. So there is nothing wrong with this game, it is just because you aren't good enough and you don't have the knowledge.

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by KINGLYx:

This game is not meant to be easy. In the game you're not a god of war, and you can't just walk all over the enemies like you can in other games. You need to use strategy and use EVERY little thing that you can to gain an advantage. Bioshock is very much a detail oriented game.

Hack everything you can (yes I agree the hacking could be better, but it's VERY useful.)

Explore. Explore. Explore. Lots of useful items and things to help you can be found simply by taking your time and having a look around.

Save the high power ammo for the high power enemies. Regular old splicers don't need to be killed with electric buck shot.

USE THE PLAMIDS. They're there for a reason and are extremely helpful once you learn what they are most effective on.

Big Daddies are meant to be VERY difficult to kill. I've found that explosives work quite well on them. Use Electro Bolt on one and get a few rocket launcher shots off into one then back up because he will be coming after you. Then repeat.

You dont have to melee everything. Splicers go down without to much trouble especially if you've upgraded and researched properly. I go for a stun and kill strategy. Stun or freeze and then get those all too necessary first shots in.

It's a difficult game and should be treated as such. The whole "the game is not worth it if I don't play on hard" mentality doesn't really work in this game. The game is a somewhat of a challenge at times even on easy. Medium is the best balance of challenging but doable. Hard is just that. Very hard.

This, and just keep playing, the game only get easier and easier as you upgrade and learn. At the end you will have plenty of resources and will rarely die.

Originally posted by bullerbuller7:

-I get the impression that you kill all the big daddies with a little sister. Earlier in the game it can be very hard to kill a big daddy, so just carry on and you can kill it later in the game. Items from the gatherers garden are not worth it if you have such a hard time killing a single big daddy.

One of the coolest thing of this game is saving the little sister, quiting it is just ridiculous. Plus, it give you better health, eve and plasmids, which is useful. If he can't even play on a easier difficulty, quiting the big daddies is even worse. Killing them is a must.

If you are having problem with big daddies, don't worry, only the first ones are trouble, after that you can kill them in 10 seconds without being hit a single time, if you want too. Just get to the part where you find the chemical thrower and save electric gel to use on them (save for the final boss too, on the last chapter). Upgrade the chemical thrower as soon as you find one of the upgrade machines. It hold the big daddies stunned and eat their health extremely fast. Is overpowered as hell..

[*MaD~DoG*]

Well, since I have all 3 (1,2,and Infinite) I am going to play them in order. I have been switching back and forth between easy and normal. I went into keyboard bindings and changed left click to always be gun and right click plasmid, so the game plays more like "Dishonored." I think if I had an abundance of ammo, and if I was faster hacking security cameras and turrets I could do better, but no way will I quit! It's a great story, and lots of fun. I agree with the above poster, just adjust the difficulty level and enjoy the game!