Xbox controller or Keyboard & Mouse?

[AngryOats]

Just wondering what one you guys prefer. I've been playing with my Keyboard and Mouse but I wanted to try it out with my Xbox controller.

What do you prefer for this series?

[Dev]

The controls on the controller are different from regular fps games, so it took me some getting used to. Overall I prefer using the controller.

[noobsaibot21]

Also, using the controller somehow breaks the subtitles. It's extremely annoying

[CursedByakko]

Originally posted by noobsaibot21:

Also, using the controller somehow breaks the subtitles. It's extremely annoying

That explains one of the issues I've been having..wondered why they vanished halfway through the sentences.

[noobsaibot21]

It's extremely annoying as I dont play M&K - PC is hooked up to the HDTV. I dont think they ever fixed it and now Irrational are dead so doubt it ever will be fixed (unless the community are able to do it). Might have to try ControlMK+ or something

[Kempa]

I use strictly mouse + keyboard but only because I've actually managed to iron out all of the issues with wonky mouse controls.

First of all, you have forced mouse smoothing - which, for any Unreal Engine 2 game I've played, is horrible. At the start of any game it makes the mouse sensitivity incredibly slow but becomes okay again after a few moments.

Then, also. If you put your in-game sensitivity anywhere below "3", the mouse cursor for any sort of menu or hacking portion becomes like snapped to a grid, where it only moves vertically and horizontally and is very slow.

Doing some magic with the user.ini file, these problems are solvable. Thankfully, I managed to google about enough to know how and now I can play it very nicely. Wish, I could say that about BioShock 2 as well, though.

[Blehh.....]

Originally posted by The Hated Albatross:

Then, also. If you put your in-game sensitivity anywhere below "3", the mouse cursor for any sort of menu or hacking portion becomes like snapped to a grid, where it only moves vertically and horizontally and is very slow.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you fixed my problem! I was about to not play it anymore or at least not hack anymore because of the fustrating grid lock bull crap that you described(as I'm no masochist)! Because I did remember playing this game before and hacking was fairly easy, not hard because the mouse was jittering about when I tried to move the cursor slowly so I could place the pipes correctly....

Also back then I was using some ♥♥♥♥ Logitech or Microsoft mouse, now I have a Razer Naga Epic and DPI fairly high, which explains why everything feels too fast for me compared to when I was using a ♥♥♥♥ mouse..... Even ingame mouse sensitivity set 1 is still too fast, maybe 0.5 could work but there's no value for 0.5......

Oh and the grid lock seems to only happen on lvl 1, lvl 2 and above appear to be fine for me....though it's still too fast for my liking and turning down the pointer speed via control panel has no affect in the game nor ingame menu and hacking.......

[Kempa]

Originally posted by Boltte:

Originally posted by The Hated Albatross:

Then, also. If you put your in-game sensitivity anywhere below "3", the mouse cursor for any sort of menu or hacking portion becomes like snapped to a grid, where it only moves vertically and horizontally and is very slow.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you fixed my problem! I was about to not play it anymore or at least not hack anymore because of the fustrating grid lock bull crap that you described(as I'm no masochist)! Because I did remember playing this game before and hacking was fairly easy, not hard because the mouse was jittering about when I tried to move the cursor slowly so I could place the pipes correctly....

Also back then I was using some ♥♥♥♥ Logitech or Microsoft mouse, now I have a Razer Naga Epic and DPI fairly high, which explains why everything feels too fast for me compared to when I was using a ♥♥♥♥ mouse..... Even ingame mouse sensitivity set 1 is still too fast, maybe 0.5 could work but there's no value for 0.5......

Oh and the grid lock seems to only happen on lvl 1, lvl 2 and above appear to be fine for me....though it's still too fast for my liking and turning down the pointer speed via control panel has no affect in the game nor ingame menu and hacking.......

Now this I love. I wrote that post two and half years ago. I'm not even a PC gamer anymore. Other people hate necro posts, but for me it's a small hop down memory lane, even if only a few moments back.

Anywho, I'm glad you're finding a decent way to play BioShock. BioShock 2 is even worse with mouse movement and Infinite finally got it right. Don't rule out a PC gamepad, if the troubles with controls get too bad. The game was designed from the ground up to be played on console format.

[Blehh.....]

Originally posted by The Hated Albatross:

Originally posted by Boltte:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you fixed my problem! I was about to not play it anymore or at least not hack anymore because of the fustrating grid lock bull crap that you described(as I'm no masochist)! Because I did remember playing this game before and hacking was fairly easy, not hard because the mouse was jittering about when I tried to move the cursor slowly so I could place the pipes correctly....

Also back then I was using some ♥♥♥♥ Logitech or Microsoft mouse, now I have a Razer Naga Epic and DPI fairly high, which explains why everything feels too fast for me compared to when I was using a ♥♥♥♥ mouse..... Even ingame mouse sensitivity set 1 is still too fast, maybe 0.5 could work but there's no value for 0.5......

Oh and the grid lock seems to only happen on lvl 1, lvl 2 and above appear to be fine for me....though it's still too fast for my liking and turning down the pointer speed via control panel has no affect in the game nor ingame menu and hacking.......

Now this I love. I wrote that post two and half years ago. I'm not even a PC gamer anymore. Other people hate necro posts, but for me it's a small hop down memory lane, even if only a few moments back.

Anywho, I'm glad you're finding a decent way to play BioShock. BioShock 2 is even worse with mouse movement and Infinite finally got it right. Don't rule out a PC gamepad, if the troubles with controls get too bad. The game was designed from the ground up to be played on console format.

I've alread played BioShock 2, but the GFWL version, not Steam version - and I was also using the same crap Microsoft/Logitech brand mouse (I can't remember which one it was, but I do remember playing with a crap mouse that still handled games fairly good! So I say crap because it's you know a generic mouse...haha)

Mouse control in that game, was good, well I didn't have any complains back then that I remember of anyways.... So what happened in Bioshock 2 that I never noticed with my *crap* mouse? Was it more grid lock effect movement even on higher mouse sensitivity? hahaa

As for the rather too sensitive mouse movement in the menus and via hacking, is there a way to slow it down without receiving the grid lock affect if you move your mouse slowly?

[Blehh.....]

Originally posted by The Hated Albatross:

Originally posted by Boltte:

I've alread played BioShock 2, but the GFWL version, not Steam version - and I was also using the same crap Microsoft/Logitech brand mouse (I can't remember which one it was, but I do remember playing with a crap mouse that still handled games fairly good! So I say crap because it's you know a generic mouse...haha)

Mouse control in that game, was good, well I didn't have any complains back then that I remember of anyways.... So what happened in Bioshock 2 that I never noticed with my *crap* mouse? Was it more grid lock effect movement even on higher mouse sensitivity? hahaa

As for the rather too sensitive mouse movement in the menus and via hacking, is there a way to slow it down without receiving the grid lock affect if you move your mouse slowly?

Yeah, it can be fixed. I had it all figured out many years ago. This guide might help you.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=764284200

But that's for BioShock Remastered, not the original...... I thought the remastered version fixed all and every bug and glitch this game had?!

Otherwise the remastered version was a fail, other than apparent graphical improvements here and there or so I am told; but I haven't played the remastered version yet to find this all out for myself but I will once I finish the original....

Well at least the remastered version is free....

[Kempa]

Originally posted by Boltte:

As for the rather too sensitive mouse movement in the menus and via hacking, is there a way to slow it down without receiving the grid lock affect if you move your mouse slowly?

It can be fixed, I had all the kinks worked out a couple years ago. I found this thread from the 2K forums, I think this was the right way to fix it.

1.) Open BOTH DefUser.ini and User.ini in NotePad. Editing User.ini alone is not enough as the values can be overwritten and ignored.

On both XP and Vista, DefUser.ini is located at:
C:\ProgramFiles\2KGames\BioShock\Builds\Release

On Vista, User.ini is located at:
C:\Users\YOUR_LOGIN_NAME\AppData\Roaming\BioShock

On XP, User.ini is located in the same directory as DefUser.ini

2.) Copy and paste the following lines into the bottom of both files

[Engine.PlayerInput]
MouseSmoothingMode=0
MouseAccelThreshold=0.0

3.) Save both files and launch the game

[Kempa]

Originally posted by Boltte:

But that's for BioShock Remastered, not the original...... I thought the remastered version fixed all and every bug and glitch this game had?!

I noticed, I was a bit too quick so I deleted that post.

[Blehh.....]

Originally posted by The Hated Albatross:

Originally posted by Boltte:

As for the rather too sensitive mouse movement in the menus and via hacking, is there a way to slow it down without receiving the grid lock affect if you move your mouse slowly?

It can be fixed, I had all the kinks worked out a couple years ago. I found this thread from the 2K forums, I think this was the right way to fix it.

1.) Open BOTH DefUser.ini and User.ini in NotePad. Editing User.ini alone is not enough as the values can be overwritten and ignored.

On both XP and Vista, DefUser.ini is located at:
C:\ProgramFiles\2KGames\BioShock\Builds\Release

On Vista, User.ini is located at:
C:\Users\YOUR_LOGIN_NAME\AppData\Roaming\BioShock

On XP, User.ini is located in the same directory as DefUser.ini

2.) Copy and paste the following lines into the bottom of both files

[Engine.PlayerInput]
MouseSmoothingMode=0
MouseAccelThreshold=0.0

3.) Save both files and launch the game

I think I had something like that on a keybind from some other post...let me pull it up.......

Here we go, from this thread post:

Originally posted by Deathlok:

You can't really turn mouse acceleration off in either of the first two games without manually tweaking the INI files. Even then, it turns itself back on at the start of any new game or when loading any saved game. The only fix is to bind a special command to one of the movement keys and press that key after loading or starting a game.

That's just what you get with a sloppy console port.

I remember finding a guide that helped with this particular issue, and I think it's a Steam guide, but I cannot find it anymore. Regardless, here is what it had to say:

Disable Mouse Acceleration and Smoothing

BioShock, the spiritual successor to System Shock 2, and one of the greatest first person shooters ever made, suffers from a mild case of consolitis, particularly having to do with mouse acceleration and smoothing that cannot be disabled in game.

Disabling mouse acceleration slows down the mouse to a more familiar feeling, but isn't enough to make it playable. The motion still feels clunky and unresponsive. To remedy this, you must also disable mouse smoothing, which causes your movement to be smoothed out and thus less accurate and not to mention delayed.

I've come up with a pretty good solution that only requires a bit of searching, editing, and then just the tap of a button. It was posted and confirmed working for 4+ years on the official Steam Forums.

Enjoy!

Pre-Step: Locating User.ini
Goal: Locating User.ini

You will need to locate your User.ini to make the necessary changes mentioned in this guide. For those who can not locate the file using search, you must first make sure that Hidden Files and Folders are visible and then locate your AppData or Application Data folder.

"<username>" should be replaced with your Windows username.

Windows Vista/7/8 - C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Bioshock\
Windows XP - C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application Data\Bioshock\

Step One: Finding and Changing Mouse Speed
Goal: Change 22 values of aMouseX and 22 values of aMouseY

"aMouseX Speed=2500.00" to "aMouseX Speed=500.00"
"aMouseY Speed=2500.00" to "aMouseY Speed=500.00"

Open User.ini with either Notepad or Microsoft Word. I prefer Microsoft Word as it is much easier to find and replace values. With Notepad or Word, go to Edit>Replace All and search for the two aMOUSEX and aMOUSEY acceleration speeds that repeat 22 times and change them from their default 2500 speed to 500. The 44 values are listed above.

Step Two: Creating a Key-Bind to Disable Acceleration and Smoothing
Goal: Create an Easy to Use Key-Bind

The second step is to create a key-bind to disable Mouse Acceleration and Smoothing. You must press this key after every level load or saved game load!

A lot of people decided to create a separate key-bind for this command, but it made far more sense to make the first key I press when my game is ready to play. "W," the forward key, makes the most sense, so I set it to that.

W=MoveForward | set Engine.PlayerInput MouseAccelThreshold 0.0 | set Engine.PlayerInput MouseSmoothingMode 0

Now as soon as you hit the forward key W your mouse is good to go, you don't have to do a separate key-bind for it.

Step Three: Testing
Goal: Test & Confirm

Start BioShock and continue your game. When the map is loaded, move only your mouse. The mouse should be slow and sluggish, but if you keep moving it the acceleration should kick in and speed it up. Annoying right? Yes!

Ok, now tap the "W" key and test out your mouse again. If you followed all steps correctly the difference should be unmistakable, and your mouse should now be "correct."

Post-Step and Notice: Playing BioShock
Goal: Preventing Issues and Enjoying BioShock

You've now successfully turned BioShock into a true PC game. Before you travel 20 fathoms under the sea and explore Rapture, please read the notice below as it is very important.

Notice: I do not recommend setting the values ReduceMouseLag and DoubleBufferMouseLag to False as they will cause the game to crash randomly!

I've played around with them for testing and found that they don't really do much except crash your game as you enter a new area or pick up loot. There is no benefit in altering these values as the game seems to rely on them.

Enjoy.

Hmmm, it would appear that bind deleted itself........guess I'll add it in again....maybe it deletes itself each launch? Well I'll find out....

Ok so it only happens IF you change some settings ingame and the exit, it overrides your user.ini file...so you want to make your changes FIRST before applying this keybind...