Bioshock remake

[Goneja]

Since Dead space remake was a big success, it will be a logical thing to do for more companies to pour money into remakes. 2k should remake first Bioshock, just imagine talking protagonist and diverse cast with better story telling and seamless Rapture. Take my money

[Bagel]

they already did and it sucked

[Goneja]

Originally posted by HotPocketBagel:

they already did and it sucked

I'm talking about remake, not a remaster

[jackhulkster]

In my opinion the polishing of some areas might take away from the overall charm of the game. Every little quirk about the game and how it's made is one of the reasons why it's so loved even today.

If you start "modernizing" a lot of the stuff it might take away from the charm the game has.

[Smokedice]

Hell no. The Dead Space Remaster showed me exactly why this is a terrible idea. The updated character models and dialogue was unnecessary and horrible (they turned Nicole from a young hottie to old and ugly, and Hammond's death was goofy rather than horrifying as it was in the real game), and the gender nonbinary bathrooms they retconned in was stupid as well.

I know a Bioshock remake would be dubiously catered to the mOdErN aUdIeNcE fad. The goal should be keeping these old games running impeccably on newer machines.

[Goneja]

Originally posted by Smokedice:

Hell no. The Dead Space Remaster showed me exactly why this is a terrible idea. The updated character models and dialogue was unnecessary and horrible (they turned Nicole from a young hottie to old and ugly, and Hammond's death was goofy rather than horrifying as it was in the real game), and the gender nonbinary bathrooms they retconned in was stupid as well.

I know a Bioshock remake would be dubiously catered to the mOdErN aUdIeNcE fad. The goal should be keeping these old games running impeccably on newer machines.

Yes, because women in DS universe (especially Nicole) should be 18 years old, hot, super models that will cater to any male fantasies imaginable/unimaginable and those pesky non-binary bathrooms ruining peoples lives, damn

[Smokedice]

Originally posted by Ꮆㄖ几乇ﾌ卂:

Originally posted by Smokedice:

Hell no. The Dead Space Remaster showed me exactly why this is a terrible idea. The updated character models and dialogue was unnecessary and horrible (they turned Nicole from a young hottie to old and ugly, and Hammond's death was goofy rather than horrifying as it was in the real game), and the gender nonbinary bathrooms they retconned in was stupid as well.

I know a Bioshock remake would be dubiously catered to the mOdErN aUdIeNcE fad. The goal should be keeping these old games running impeccably on newer machines.

Yes, because women in DS universe (especially Nicole) should be 18 years old, hot, super models that will cater to any male fantasies imaginable/unimaginable and those pesky non-binary bathrooms ruining peoples lives, damn :mhpatchie:

Ikr, How dare I want to look at attractive women! (Even though they don't have to be a supermodel to be hot)

Ruining peoples lives? It was a retcon. It had no business being in the game but was added unnecessarily. It's stupid.

[Goneja]

Originally posted by Smokedice:

Originally posted by Ꮆㄖ几乇ﾌ卂:

Yes, because women in DS universe (especially Nicole) should be 18 years old, hot, super models that will cater to any male fantasies imaginable/unimaginable and those pesky non-binary bathrooms ruining peoples lives, damn

Ikr, How dare I want to look at attractive women! (Even though they don't have to be a supermodel to be hot)

Ruining peoples lives? It was a retcon. It had no business being in the game but was added unnecessarily. It's stupid.

If you want to look at attractive women go to porn websites

[Eat3n]

No. F*ck this remake and remaster crap. MAKE NEW GAMES. It's just that simple.

[Smokedice]

Originally posted by Ꮆㄖ几乇ﾌ卂:

Originally posted by Smokedice:

Ikr, How dare I want to look at attractive women! (Even though they don't have to be a supermodel to be hot)

Ruining peoples lives? It was a retcon. It had no business being in the game but was added unnecessarily. It's stupid.

If you want to look at attractive women go to porn websites

And destroy my pre-frontal cortex as a result? Next thing you know I'll be proposing a BioShock remake...oh wait

[Goneja]

Originally posted by Smokedice:

Originally posted by Ꮆㄖ几乇ﾌ卂:

If you want to look at attractive women go to porn websites

And destroy my pre-frontal cortex as a result? Next thing you know I'll be proposing a BioShock remake...oh wait

Or try to meditate at least

[libertasgrace]

I sincerely a doubt a remake would be a good thing for a game this old. For one, the remaster which was supposed to fix certain things, made the game more buggy and we got hit with the 2K launcher. All we'd get is a watered down shell spewing modern trash. Going off topic, considering remakes, has anyone even heard of one having improved on the original game? The only well received one that comes to mind is Resident Evil 2.

[Goneja]

Originally posted by libertasgrace:

I sincerely a doubt a remake would be a good thing for a game this old. For one, the remaster which was supposed to fix certain things, made the game more buggy and we got hit with the 2K launcher. All we'd get is a watered down shell spewing modern trash. Going off topic, considering remakes, has anyone even heard of one having improved on the original game? The only well received one that comes to mind is Resident Evil 2.

Dead Space remake and probably new upcoming Resident evil 4 remake, also i doubt possible Bioshock remake would be developed by the same team that made Bioshock remastered, fingers crossed?

[Smokedice]

Originally posted by Ꮆㄖ几乇ﾌ卂:

Originally posted by Smokedice:

And destroy my pre-frontal cortex as a result? Next thing you know I'll be proposing a BioShock remake...oh wait

Or try to meditate at least

No amount of meditation can fix that XD just do find yourself a young pretty girl and marry her instead!

Point still stands, you don't have to be a super model to not look like the wrinkly old bag they used to represent Nicole in the Dead Space remake. Heck, even the local grocery store clerk with no makeup looks nicer than 90% of the so called "super-models"

But that's not to mention all the other character moments that are worse in the remake. Watch Hammond's death scene, for example. Which version is more terrifying and fitting in a horror game? I'll wait for you to watch both versions, but the answer is obvious.

[Karma]

If they Remade Bioshock, lets see, how thatd go...by the current gaming trends.
First, youd buy the game. Half the weapons would be cut, to be sold as Day 1 DLC.
Microtransaction store integrated into game.
The racial epitaphs would be taken out of the script, such as the racial slurs Fontaine throws out (Germans, Chinese, etc...), because the younger generation is affended by EVERYTHING.
45 minute long cut scenes.
DLC
DLC
DLC
i think i mentioned DLC.....

Yeah, itd be a mistake.

While on this semi-rant/semi-aggressive tone about modern gaming, i think theyd suck all the charm out of the original, and would tarnish its legacy. Its truly a masterpiece, and would be just another example of "if it aint broke, dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fix it"

[a23no]

Hmmmm... To remake Bioshock? Let me think about that seriously, particularly in the context of the responses so far:

Starting, @"G", with your leading idea, I am generally not fond of the notion of changing a silent protagonist into a speaking one. If diversity is a concern, surely it is easier for anyone to assume the role of a silent protagonist, which I assume is why such was conceived in the first place. I had no idea (or kept forgetting) that Prisoner 849 of 1998's landmark FPS Unreal was in fact female. Proof of concept, I think. Ditto Gordon Freeman in Half-Life. I would have no objection to a skin colour/gender selector for the protagonist's hands, and options for the pain vocalizations.

The genius of this story, though, comes from the issue of (spoiler) the "Would you kindly?" challenge to the free will of the protagonist (and even the player to an extent) that is addressed during the Big Reveal. I think one needs to be as immersed as possible for the full impact of that concept, and having thoughts and dialogue supplied to your avatar (or worse, a third-person cutscene of that moment) would spoil the effect.

You'll need to clarify what you mean by "better storytelling". You may well be right, but I am personally unclear as to how it could be improved. Do you object to the audio-log style of exposition, for example, or do you mean that the story itself could have had a better ending, or endings? I think many people would agree if you mean the latter, insofar as it should have ended at the Big Reveal, and that the shorter game time would have been worth the change. To me, the games that are generally categorized as "immersive sims", Dead Space included, have among the best told stories in all of gaming, largely because you, the player, control your own level of investment therein. That is one of the reasons I generally loathe cutscenes, and I am glad that such games minimize their presence.

A complete remake would bring improved graphics and audio to the table, to be sure. If the remake was entirely faithful to the aesthetic of the original, I would certainly be on board with that, as well as any improvement in the combat mechanics. Bioshock as rendered on the Unreal 2 (?) engine is already a feast for the eyes and ears, especially for a 2007 game. A more modern engine could do wonders (although some of the "improvements" in the remasters don't inspire confidence). Bioshock 2 already improved upon the hacking element, and transplanting that into the remake would be agreeable. However, to echo some of the other respondents, I would be dismayed at the inclusion of DLC and in-game microtransactions. Does the new Dead Space have them? They are hateful elements of modern gaming, as far as I'm concerned.

Overall, I am very sympathetic to your enthusiasm; thanks for sharing it. Bioshock is definitely a game worthy of a remake. But I would want only the kinds of "improvement" that point to what made the original so great, and I agree with some above who are not impressed with the track record of remake efforts to date. Too often, the baby is thrown out with the bathwater.

To be honest, though, I'm more excited about the forthcoming System Shock remake. Now, THAT game definitely deserves a modern interpretation. As does System Shock 2. I would put those two at the front of the line, myself...