line lengths and spool capacity

[Grandizer]

I posted this in Suggestions but would like to know the rationality of the following.

Why are there so many options for line, mostly at 100m length, when reels, including the very first reel, have a capacity over 100m? Are all of these nylon, mono, options all for float fishing?

Buying a Lagoon 4000 reel for 168 silver, requires you to buy 350m of line at 42 silver a pop and there's no other option in any of the cheaper line choices. The Sabre 60 I just bought requires the same to make use of the max kg even at the highest diameter available.

Spinning even on Mosq, gets you spooled on a pike if you match line and reel correctly only having 100m of line, regardless if you use 5.6kg line on a 6kg pole and 5.5kg reel on the Lgoon or even going Sabre using 100m line. I've had it happen on Mosq, Riveulet and OB. Meters in the red, have to let it spool and use break and 100m doesn't cut it if you get a fish that pulls, when it really shouldn't be a problem

Also, another example, the Sabre 60 allows .36mm diameter and there is like one option for that in line that costs almost 130 silver. Most of the line is either under 36mm or jumps over into the 40's which can't be used on it, as far as I know.

[River Otter]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Grandizer:

I posted this in Suggestions but would like to know the rationality of the following.

Why are there so many options for line, mostly at 100m length, when reels, including the very first reel, have a capacity over 100m? Are all of these nylon, mono, options all for float fishing?

Buying a Lagoon 4000 reel for 168 silver, requires you to buy 350m of line at 42 silver a pop and there's no other option in any of the cheaper line choices. The Sabre 60 I just bought requires the same to make use of the max kg even at the highest diameter available.

Spinning even on Mosq, gets you spooled on a pike if you match line and reel correctly only having 100m of line, regardless if you use 5.6kg line on a 6kg pole and 5.5kg reel on the Lgoon or even going Sabre using 100m line. I've had it happen on Mosq, Riveulet and OB. Meters in the red, have to let it spool and use break and 100m doesn't cut it if you get a fish that pulls, when it really shouldn't be a problem

Also, another example, the Sabre 60 allows .36mm diameter and there is like one option for that in line that costs almost 130 silver. Most of the line is either under 36mm or jumps over into the 40's which can't be used on it, as far as I know.

Reels can typically handle up to 2x the listed KG. So if the Reel says 10kg, you can safely go to 19kg. This changes depending on wear, so be cautious.

There is no set type of line requirement for a reel either. You can use any line you want. Some reels just have smaller spools, so if you put on thicker mm line, you will have less of said line on the spool.

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[Grandizer]

thanks for replying but this answer doesn't really address my question at all.

The main focus of what I wrote is "Why are there so many options for line, mostly at 100m length, when reels, including the very first reel, have a capacity over 100m"

From there I expanded the question and I would really like to the know the Dev's thoughts and reasoning for this and of what use are the many many choices of 100m line that you really can't even use?

Using a reel with 3 diameter options, yields you more line the thinner it is but once again, you can't buy 250m of a line or 150m. You really are only able to buy 350m line at only 2 options at an already expensive cost for low level players (44 silver each) compared to like 50+ options of 100m line. From there you get into line at 130 silver at 350m.

Also, the rest of the line is wasted at 350m. You can only get one use out of it. So if I use 10.5kg line on a Sabre 60, I get 136m, roughly, or 28mm line at 208m but the remainder of the line is wasted.

The way fish fight in this game, even not so big fish clearly under the line weight limit, they will spool you, especially at 100m line limitation on purchase.

Crutian or anyone else have an answer to my question?

[River Otter]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Grandizer:

thanks for replying but this answer doesn't really address my question at all.

The main focus of what I wrote is "Why are there so many options for line, mostly at 100m length, when reels, including the very first reel, have a capacity over 100m"

From there I expanded the question and I would really like to the know the Dev's thoughts and reasoning for this and of what use are the many many choices of 100m line that you really can't even use?

Using a reel with 3 diameter options, yields you more line the thinner it is but once again, you can't buy 250m of a line or 150m. You really are only able to buy 350m line at only 2 options at an already expensive cost for low level players (44 silver each) compared to like 50+ options of 100m line. From there you get into line at 130 silver at 350m.

Also, the rest of the line is wasted at 350m. You can only get one use out of it. So if I use 10.5kg line on a Sabre 60, I get 136m, roughly, or 28mm line at 208m but the remainder of the line is wasted.

The way fish fight in this game, even not so big fish clearly under the line weight limit, they will spool you, especially at 100m line limitation on purchase.

Crutian or anyone else have an answer to my question?

Misunderstood the question. And barely understand the issue with it. Never heard anyone complain about it.

It's mostly down to balance, strategic choice in reel and line, and game mechanics. Different reels have different spools and they want there to be a give or take on the decision. For example, Alfa vs Caliber HSV. There's also the feeling of "upgrading". They also want the fish to challenge you - hence the ability to control where the fish is going by getting in front of it.

You should almost never be in danger of being spooled, especially on the lower maps, if you move correctly and arent fishing specific fish beyond your gear score. The only issue I ever had was grass carp on burg and catfish from shore on volkhov. Both were my error in judgement.

Beyond that, I can't answer as I have never felt it was a problem.

[DaffyPwnz]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Grandizer:

thanks for replying but this answer doesn't really address my question at all.

The main focus of what I wrote is "Why are there so many options for line, mostly at 100m length, when reels, including the very first reel, have a capacity over 100m"

From there I expanded the question and I would really like to the know the Dev's thoughts and reasoning for this and of what use are the many many choices of 100m line that you really can't even use?

Using a reel with 3 diameter options, yields you more line the thinner it is but once again, you can't buy 250m of a line or 150m. You really are only able to buy 350m line at only 2 options at an already expensive cost for low level players (44 silver each) compared to like 50+ options of 100m line. From there you get into line at 130 silver at 350m.

Also, the rest of the line is wasted at 350m. You can only get one use out of it. So if I use 10.5kg line on a Sabre 60, I get 136m, roughly, or 28mm line at 208m but the remainder of the line is wasted.

The way fish fight in this game, even not so big fish clearly under the line weight limit, they will spool you, especially at 100m line limitation on purchase.

Crutian or anyone else have an answer to my question?

So a couple of things to consider for you here...

A) ... The 100m lines are primarily used for 1) Making leaders (leaders dont always need to be fluorocarbon). 2) setting up small rigs for small fish that dont pull away line, like bleak for example... no point using 300/350 or 1000m of line, then 100m is plenty and ofc it costs less for each spool.

B) ... Generally speaking, MOST! not all, but MOST! fish can be caught with less than 300/350m of line. As an example, if you have 250m of line on Kouri lake, you can practically never loose a fish (apart from fga). However, using just the 100m of line will not suffice for this, obviously.

C) ... In relation to your point about "wasted line"... this, although being true most of the time, is not always true.... for example... if i'm fighting a fish and accidentally lock my reel and without realising it, my line is actually weaker than my leader due to wear... my line snaps.... suddenly, instead of having a "300m" value for that line, i might now have say 260m.... now if my spool can hold 240m of said line, i will not actually notice a difference, but if my spool could hold the full 300m, i would now only have 260m of line on my spool. Visible by a portion of the white circle at the bottom of the screen for line now having a slice of white missing equal to approx 10% of the total circle.

D) All lines have a range of choices, from 100m - 1000m, ddepending on what you want in the following categories.... Quality, Colour, Strength, Material etc etc.... so i guess my question to you in relation to this would be, would you prefer if you only had the choice of 3 different lines, rather than the 100+ we currently have?

So as you can see.... there is reason to the madness of all the lines, it just may be that you have not yet, and may never run into the choices others use in the game.... i for one own many lines to suit many rigs and situations :)

Hope this helps bud :)

Joe Fisherman

Oh, i just wanted to add one more thing, yes, when you are low level, tackle can seems very expensive, but once you understand how and when to target each species, which comes with time and being part of a good chat group in game, like Mdawgs chat called "My Dawgs", which is where you will find me, eventually, dropping 200s on a spool of line is nothing when your making 500+ silver per hour, which you will get to. So stick with it mate, build up tackle slowly and conserve what silver you can for getting better reels, which im guessing for you, will be Calibur HSV's or something similar. Most of all, enjoy the game, enjoy the difficult fights some fish give you and learn from mistakes :))

[Grandizer]

Thanks Joe , we're in the same chat channel for MDawg, this actually answers my questions perfectly.

It's not that I wouldn't prefer the 100+ choices, it's that there are far less choices on line at over 100m that's available for the cheap line options. The first line at 300m to use on a spool over 100m capacity is like 44 silver. I know it's not considered expensive but wondering why the really cheap offerings don't also offer more than 100m.

When getting a better spin reel few weeks ago, the Lagoon, I purchased line and didn't even notice the 100m limit on the line purchase itself. I went for cheap and affordable to get me by. I saw the spool not filled but thought that was because I wasn't using the lowest diameter line that can fill it. Then I made the mistake of doing the same thing on the Sabre 60 i just got, thinking the same thing.

Both setups would have a pike just take my line across the lake where I could not run after it (OB directly across in a bad spot) and once when trying, got stuck between a tree and water's edge (lol) . I wasn't nearly in the red but had 1/4 of the line capability not spooled on the reel, gimping myself.

So after paying closer attention to the line length's available, and now using 350m line, and seeing the plethora of 100m to purchase for cheap compared to the others, I wanted some clarity.

Thanks again Joe.

[DaffyPwnz]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Grandizer:

Thanks Joe , we're in the same chat channel for MDawg, this actually answers my questions perfectly.

It's not that I wouldn't prefer the 100+ choices, it's that there are far less choices on line at over 100m that's available for the cheap line options. The first line at 300m to use on a spool over 100m capacity is like 44 silver. I know it's not considered expensive but wondering why the really cheap offerings don't also offer more than 100m.

When getting a better spin reel few weeks ago, the Lagoon, I purchased line and didn't even notice the 100m limit on the line purchase itself. I went for cheap and affordable to get me by. I saw the spool not filled but thought that was because I wasn't using the lowest diameter line that can fill it. Then I made the mistake of doing the same thing on the Sabre 60 i just got, thinking the same thing.

Both setups would have a pike just take my line across the lake where I could not run after it (OB directly across in a bad spot) and once when trying, got stuck between a tree and water's edge (lol) . I wasn't nearly in the red but had 1/4 of the line capability not spooled on the reel, gimping myself.

So after paying closer attention to the line length's available, and now using 350m line, and seeing the plethora of 100m to purchase for cheap compared to the others, I wanted some clarity.

Thanks again Joe.

More than welcome mate, I am glad my info helped answer your question :) let me know who you are in game btw :)