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You're telling people who've played the game for 4000 hours or more, "don't like it, leave" - while you continuously degrade what used to be a great game. Did you really think that you can just do this and eventually the bubble does not burst? As far as i am concerned it's long overdue for people to call out that enough is enough.
You've killed 80% of the maps, most of the maps are either completely dead or near dead, hotspots only on couple of maps.
You've killed biterate and average size of fish on all maps.
You implemented that dumb "spot will die after catching certain amount of fish"
You've increased the prices of gear whereas people still make the same amount of silver.
The gear wear in Norway is absolutely maddening, like 50% of the "income" goes for repairs.
Closing down on trading, "gold only" can't even send a starting kit now without paying for it.
Continuously make hidden changes that are not in change logs.
And then opressing people, banning them for voicing their opinions.
You might have a vision for the game, but as from where i am sitting at, that vision is "more money". Because the game has gone from good casual to more and more and more restrictions on everything and suppressing peoples fun and way of making silver while making everything more expensive, break gear down faster and adding more and more gold content. And the ironic thing about that, is that sadly the newcomers of the game do not know any better to waste money. Because better gear will on the most part only add to your costs.
It's time to start listening to your community, rather than telling them to give up and go away. I see this as a karma.
Best regards!
My recommendation to "move on" is instead directed at someone in your position, who clearly dislikes everything about the game and will likely not find any joy in it in the future.
The rest of your post is just a very subjective look on the game.
- The Norway map we released last year was our most popular update yet. People seem to enjoy it a lot.
- Our discord and other places where active spots are shared are more active than ever. There is good fishing to be found on every map.
- We have not increased prices for gear, quite the opposite in many cases.
- The restrictions to trading gold items where necessary because this feature was constantly abused and created an unfair advantage for those who abused it.
- We are not "oppressing" people who voice their opinion. This is a cheap attempt on victimising oneself. You just need to follow some basic rules like in every public space.
Hello, I am not sure about this but I think there is a limit to maximum gold transactions as a security measure. I will ask the CN colleagues.
You are disregarding the obvious and twisting the outlook and take only the most general overview possible, or maybe thats the point.. i don't know.
- I agree, Norway map has a lot of traction, and it might be the most popular map to date.
But you're completely disregarding why is it most popular. Do people actually enjoy it? Do they find it fun to repair their extremely expensive gear every day after just catching endless flow of mackerels or cheap overpowered halibuts? Do they enjoy drifting across the sea, repositioning themselves every 5 minutes? Do they enjoy not having rod holders. Or maybe... oh yeah maybe.. it has much more to do with the fact that none of the other maps are working properly? I would clearly enjoy a stroll on an Archipelago instead of Norway, if it'd actually had any proper fish in it any more.
- You're literally measuring the success of Norway by the misery of other maps.
- Discord yeah... it might be active, but allow me to counter. Let me point your focus to your game's homepage, especially the "About the game" section. I think it does say there something along the lines of "complete freedom", "find your very own perfect fishing spots", am i right? Do you care to explain how the game went from that idea to a metagaming where you can only fish by joining a community like fb, vk, discord etc and doing everything everyone else is doing? :)
- Yes, you have increased the price of the gear, it might be before your time, but you have, for a fact. I know Venga was much, much cheaper pre-Tunguska release. Please check your information before calling me on it :)
- Abusing the trading system, i can see that happening, but if you can take a minute and explain to me how people can and have abused sending starter kits to new players, i am all ears. Short of that (this is actually subjective btw) inclined to feel that this has less to do with being selfless and trying to stop abuse. I betting 5 euros right now, that in future you will restrict sending handmade lures and as such as well :)
- While you may say that you're not "oppressing", you clearly are, and this is far from victimizing oneself. People have been banned for having just a "wrong tone" in their writing. "Spreading false information" and etc. And since you put it as "You just need to follow some basic rules like in every public space.". Most public spaces do have a right about freedom of speech you know, although i do know, you guys have a little different idea about it. But that is beside the point.
Why do you think most people send their negative reviews, criticisms and etc on their alt account, or don't do it at all. Well.. newsflash they're being afraid of being banned. Which is the very definition of oppression. You have a problem with this, and sooner you admit it is a problem, is better for a whole community.
And just as an addition, i want to add, yes, i do not like the current state of the game, and it is obvious that you're going to add even more restrictions on the game, and make it even more unbearable, i definitely do not see the future for myself in a game like this.
But rather than just moving on, having wasted thousands of hours on the game. I will endlessly point out objectively where you've gone wrong, hoping that one day i will be heard and hopefully save a soul or two from the same mistake i did.. play the game.
Kind regards.
Pulled 750 silver in an hour of Archipelago yesterday, so i doubt the map is the issue. At the 37m area with the Balsa 110f.
I sure wonder how those people in the discord etc, initially found those spots, its almost as if, someone went there by its own initiative........
Pre-tunguska river income was around 400-500 silver per hour. While in the current end-game it is a consistent 700-900 silver per hour. In terms of silver in-come relative to ingame prices. The game is now vastly easier than it was 4-5 years ago.
Bringing in freedom of speech, while in a privately owned steam forum........ Rf4's steam forums, discord and game are not public property. Your freedom of speech laws dont apply here. If i entered your house and called you names, you'd kick me out and rightfully so. Having some basic respect to the devs, other players and people in general is usually the only requirement, yet even that is difficult for some.
There is legitimate issues in the game, the noodle rods, the way to strict selection of lures that work for catching fish. And the in my opinion overly restrictive cooldown that spots have after catching a certain number of fish. The problem is with people like you bringing up the age old garbage arguments of "you've killed 80% of the maps", "50% of silver income goes to gear wear repair", "we are being oppressed". These type of fallacies completely remove any validity to your arguments, and they definitely don't help in getting the valid ones across.
You're misinterpreting, the game is still supposed to be find your own way, experiment, rather than forced metagame.
Do this for a week, calculate your average income after boat ticket and gear repairs, and come back to me and tell me "it was easier". After all the costs you're lucky to have that 400-500 average that we used to have. You again are taking things only at face value. Please, actually do the math and statistics before coming after me with this.
And those issues have been pointed out as well, here and there, im not inclined to remember every wrong approach they've taken. There are many problems and wrong directions taken in the game, and just as you, everyone has right to their opinion as what is considered a "legitimate issue" :)
I would talk about even more "real" legitimate issues about FishSoft LLC ignoring GDPR art. 15 and 17 requests and having a client-side tracking with google-analytics without consent and much more, but i don't feel like getting banned, for spreading "false" information :)
But when looking at your reply to @XentroDiMentro, the problem becomes obvious. Your opinion of the game is cemented and will not change, even if presented with facts by an active player who has a vastly different experience than you.
And that is why I am not trying to be cynical or arrogant when suggesting to move on, I honestly do not want you to have a bad time because of a game that you have made up your mind about a long time ago and are not willing to put your claims to the test.
But one day these people will be majority of your players, because eventually everyone will start to see the whole picture, rather than having a tunnel vision and seeing things only at face value. And then... then it's too late to change your ways and the game will die.
I literally have a program that logs all the fish, about years worth of fish data kept in database, > 100k fish logged, i have done my due diligence. It's not like i am talking out of my butt when im stating things, i have quite deep knowledge of the game. And i have to confess i do dislike if some people to try to turn over a fact with their subjective opinion, but that is more of a personal problem :P
And yet, this is exactly what you do. You even feel the need to degrade another player's answer by calling him my "friend".
And you assume that at some point in the future, everyone will share your opinion.
Why not just accept the fact that some people like something you don't?
I don't know if people will eventually share my views, only time will tell.
The reason i simply don't accept this, is because i've spend so many hours playing a great game, and then i just see it fall apart in front of my eyes. Can i get my spent time back? I can not, you've decided to take that direction in the game, that has produced this, so you've also have to just accept the criticism that comes with it, don't you?
Mr.Joe, is there any update upon this matter, or any way I can follow up the progress. Gonna make some investment if this takes long.
You really have to understand that making massive overstatements like these just make the rest of your arguments useless.
The caliber hsv friction repair is around 80 silver or so. Are you seriously arguing that you failed to make 160 silver before being required to repair it?
My little rigal reel, pulled me around 40k worth of silver before I needed to repair its mechanism at around 35%. Let alone my albacore and borealica 40 which pulled me close to a few 100 thousand and still don’t need a mechanism repair, or my vengas which i used at archipelago untill 60% mech wear.
But in the end it’s fine. My silver bank is getting back to 300k in no time, while you can repair your calibers after pulling out a single carp.