PLEASE HELP: Reel attributes - Only maximum drag matters?

[Piftuka]

Dear All,

I've been searching for keyword "reel" here, checked through more topics, also did the same on the game's main site forum, but was not able to find an answer exactly on this...

My in game character is lvl23, and I've been using a Basic Feeder Kit for bottom fishing for a while.

I managed to get some carps over 11 kg with it, but for sure, that is close to the limitation of that "Lacerti 2 4000s" reel, and the equipment in general.

I have a stronger feeder rod (21 kg strength) as well, and I'm looking for a new reel for it.

But checking the supply there are some things for which I'm seeking answer:


- Let's use "Sputnik Pulsar 4000" & "Syberia Sabre 40s" as examples...

Both have the same size, same drag power (9 kg), but...

1. How come, that "Saber" is even a bit more expensive, but has only 3 stars, whereas the "Pulsar" has 3,5 stars?
And why is "Pulsar" set a few places behind in the "generic" order of Reels in the Tackle store, knowing that it has a slightly better "star rating"?

2. Descriptions of the reels say "Pulsar" was made of metal and plastic, while "Sabre" was made of metal and graphite. In real life, for sure the latter is counted a bit "higher tier" product due the materials.

But how about in this game?

All in all...

Does "Star" rating and "Description" matters at all, or when buying a new reel, I should only go for the biggest "maximum drag" rating?

(Similarily to tele poles, for which the higher strength is the better, regardless the description.)

3. Are there any other differences in between them, in terms of
- Effective drag power (how easy to fight a fish) _in practice_?
- Speed of how the main components (brake, mechanism, ball bearings, etc.) wear out?


Thank you a lot if you help in the clarification of those things!

Regards,
Piftuka

[XentroDiMentro]

Star rating is a general indicator of the quality of the reel. It is relatively unrelated to its drag rating. A reel with a higher star rating is generally made of better quality components and will wear less over time.

The price of a reel reflects all components and the quality of them. This includes things like the size of the spool/the maximum drag/mech strenght, and how its components wear over time.

For starter reels i highly recommend going for the reels that have the highest max drag, because in the shorter term that you will be using these reels for, that will allow you to get bigger fish in much easier and faster. (can definetly recommend the sabre-60's, i've used it quite a bit at kuori/old burg myself) Once you get further into the end-game you will probably start looking for purpose specific reels, where a very high line capacity or very low gearing ratio might be more important to you than the max drag.

If you have more silver to spend the Caliber HSV and Alpha 8000 would also be very good upgrades for you.

[Crucian]

Wow, I think Xentro eloquently said it all, I don't see anything that I could add. Thank you Xentro for the great answer!

[Piftuka]

Dear XentroDiMentro, thank you a lot for your response!

Just to make sure, I do understand everything correctly....

- I have for example a 2 Star reel with 10 kg maximum drag, and a 4 Star reel with 10 kg maximum drag...

Fighting the same fish (eg. an 8 kg carp) would result the same "fighting time", as both reels have the same drag power, I would notice no difference? (And the 2 star reel would require an earlier repair, due its worse quality components.)

Or, even, the 2 Star reel's lower quality components can cause the drag be stucked or slipped from time to time (as it happens in real life), resulting a longer and harder fighting with the fish?


- About the suggestion, what to choose... Thank you a lot for the recommendations either.

Honestly, my only problem here is that I'm always short of silver.

You know, I'm not the kind of guy who is "silver grinding" constantly. I play for fun.

But I had to realize, that with each level passing by, my skills improved (and of course the quality of my groundbait), bigger and bigger fish find my mainly basic level/quality eqipment.

So for sure I need a better equipment. Really, there is no other way, otherwise One need to be stuck at Mosquito Lake or Winding Rivulet forever. (Yet there are some huge fish in that location too.)

Hence somehow I _must_ do Bream-grinding. Which honestly, I do not like.

I cannot do it for more than 1 or 2 nights constantly. Then I always go out to have fun with my favorite tele poles, or have some eeling, or spinning somewhere...

But for sure, those do not help earn that much silver. The most money I ever had at once was round 1.100-1.200 silver, but had to spend it all the time, for groundbait material, food, new hooks and floats, and line, and leader, etc. (as meeting more bigger fish, the more of such I lose)....

Crucian knows, that I've been looking for a nice, new tele pole (Onega's best, ~2.000 silver), but yet after many RL weeks spent, I'm far to afford one.


Long story short, now even the "Sabre 60s" cost way too much for me.

I was thinking to buy an "Adriatica 5000s", or a "Proton 6000".

Not sure if the +1 kg drag power is worth the +50% price difference for the latter...!?

[XentroDiMentro]

Originally posted by Piftuka:

Fighting the same fish (eg. an 8 kg carp) would result the same "fighting time", as both reels have the same drag power, I would notice no difference? (And the 2 star reel would require an earlier repair, due its worse quality components.)

Or, even, the 2 Star reel's lower quality components can cause the drag be stucked or slipped from time to time (as it happens in real life), resulting a longer and harder fighting with the fish?

If both reels are brand new and have zero wear, and are equal in all stats besides star rating, the initial fishes you catch will take pretty much equal amounts of time. After a couple dozen fish are caught, the lower star rated reels will start wearing down which will start leading to increased fighting times.

Originally posted by Piftuka:

Dear XentroDiMentro, thank you a lot for your response!
So for sure I need a better equipment. Really, there is no other way, otherwise One need to be stuck at Mosquito Lake or Winding Rivulet forever. (Yet there are some huge fish in that location too.)

Hence somehow I _must_ do Bream-grinding. Which honestly, I do not like.

I cannot do it for more than 1 or 2 nights constantly. Then I always go out to have fun with my favorite tele poles, or have some eeling, or spinning somewhere...

Crucian knows, that I've been looking for a nice, new tele pole (Onega's best, ~2.000 silver), but yet after many RL weeks spent, I'm far to afford one.

Your own path through the game is for you to decide entirely, primarily focus on what you find fun! But the reason i suggest investing heavily into bigger and better reels, is because they can be put on a vast majority of rods. (Spinning/feeder/match/carp)

If you prefer telestick fishing than you should definetly focus on that, but it does limit you to telestick fishing only. While a good spinning reel can be put on some nice starter rods like the:

Express fishing heavy S80XH (Spinning)
Fortuna Feeder FD420 (Feeder)

When these rods are combined with a sabre 60's or a Pulsar 6000, they will allow you much more freedom in fishing styles, like fishing for pike at old burg, trolling some lures behind a boat at kuori. Fishing for bream/white bream/eel at old burg. Or even some small carps. Which in term will also increase your silver income by alot, and allow you to complete your future goals in the game faster :D.

[Piftuka]

Thank you a lot for your efforts helping me! I appreciate that.

I also take your advice regarding the reel. Just have one more question about this...

- If I use one reel for all my rods (feeder, match, bolo, spinning), wouldn' that mean, that the exact reel would need much faster repair, comparing to the situation if I have (of course equally cheaper) 4 reels, so 1 reel on each rod?

I'm also calculating the (longer term) repair cost you know, that is why I'm asking.

Maybe it might seem a bit funny for you, or some of the players that I'm taking such things into consideration, but really... regardless my in game level, still struggling a lot with having silver for enhancing my fishing gear. And I have doubt that without frequent "silver grinding", at a certain point (and I do feel I reached that point) I would ever "move from square one"... If you know what I mean... :)


But hopefully you will be right with your last sentence. :)

I would definitely give it a chance; as I did already, since the time I've started playing this game.

(BTW... certainly I do not compare tele pole fishing with the other methods. They are all different, and all have their good point. As in real life - 40 years of fishing experience behind me - I do practice and master more methods for sure. )

[XentroDiMentro]

Originally posted by Piftuka:

- If I use one reel for all my rods (feeder, match, bolo, spinning), wouldn' that mean, that the exact reel would need much faster repair, comparing to the situation if I have (of course equally cheaper) 4 reels, so 1 reel on each rod?

It will definetly wear a bit more, but you will notice that the higher quality reels wear significanty slower, and do not need repairs that often. (Unless you attempt in using sabre's for salmons or big carp)

Originally posted by Piftuka:

Maybe it might seem a bit funny for you, or some of the players that I'm taking such things into consideration, but really... regardless my in game level, still struggling a lot with having silver for enhancing my fishing gear. And I have doubt that without frequent "silver grinding", at a certain point (and I do feel I reached that point) I would ever "move from square one"... If you know what I mean... :)

Don't worry, making decisions for longer term is definetly the most efficient way to play this game. This is certainly a game of buying a good items once, instead of mediocre items multiple times. This game definetly has a bit of a starter hurdle, where in the beginning the lack of quality gear means you have little freedom in which fish you can fish for. Once you pass this hurdle the game really opens up.

Originally posted by Piftuka:

(BTW... certainly I do not compare tele pole fishing with the other methods. They are all different, and all have their good point. As in real life - 40 years of fishing experience behind me - I do practice and master more methods for sure. :tq_hpot: :tq_mpot: )

I like telesticking alot IRL. :D It's just that in this game telesticks cost alot of silver, while not brining alot of silver back in return. Hence i always kinda nudge starting players into the feeder/spin fishing group, as that makes early progression alot smoother.

I will also drop some links which help players alot:
https://rf4game.com/forum/index.php?/topic/4507-official-rf4-social-media-links/
^this page includes a link to the RF4 english discord server, where trophies and great places to fish are shared.

https://vk.com/pp4wikipedia
^this is a russian/chinese fan group of the game. Its basically 55.000 players who share information about trophies/great spots to fish with each other. I do hope your brower has a built in translate function, as russian is the main spoken language there (Even though the screenshots do often speak for themselves, you dont need to make an account either, if it asks for it you can click the "not now" button)

[Piftuka]

Again... thank you a lot for all your inputs!

Now I'm preparing to buy the "Sabre 60s", so I would have my first "powerful" reel finally.

And yes, tele pole fishing is my absolute favorite in real life too. Where I chase especially the possible biggest fish, with the "most light" possible equipment.

Also have a top tier level pole for "big big big" carp fishing as well. :)

But true... in this game this method has its own limitations comparing to the other methods.

At the beginning I was, but no I'm no longer suprised that ~80% of the gamers mastered "Bottom fishing".

When someone asks my help about a good tench location, or such, and I tell them... the first question is: "Clip? Clip?" :) (And of course I'm float fishing there... :D )


Regardless all of these, tele pole fishing still means the most fun and excitement for me in this game. Imho the good thing is, that everyone can find her/his way...


I would check all those sites too, thanks for the hint!

Have fun, and all the best to you!

[River Otter]

Originally posted by Piftuka:

Again... thank you a lot for all your inputs! :warlockchest: :cozyspaceengineersc:

Now I'm preparing to buy the "Sabre 60s", so I would have my first "powerful" reel finally. :knight: :hams:

And yes, tele pole fishing is my absolute favorite in real life too. Where I chase especially the possible biggest fish, with the "most light" possible equipment.

Also have a top tier level pole for "big big big" carp fishing as well. :)

But true... in this game this method has its own limitations comparing to the other methods.

At the beginning I was, but no I'm no longer suprised that ~80% of the gamers mastered "Bottom fishing".

When someone asks my help about a good tench location, or such, and I tell them... the first question is: "Clip? Clip?" :) (And of course I'm float fishing there... :D )


Regardless all of these, tele pole fishing still means the most fun and excitement for me in this game. Imho the good thing is, that everyone can find her/his way... :butterfly:


I would check all those sites too, thanks for the hint!

Have fun, and all the best to you!

There are a high number of people who barely touch bottom fishing.
There are some extremely good players who only use telestick.