Dreams of Icarus: Cant get it to trigger

[Ventus]

I've checked this in the ingame tool to confirm. Ive been load scrubbing trying to get this to trigger for a long, long time (been trying for several campaigns (yep, campaigns).


Can someone tell me if this requires
-Swamp/Broadleaf/PineForest, AND
-Unit with leader OR hothead OR greedy score of 80 or higher, AND
- Eligible for hawk, AND
the last conditions I dont thing I understand.

-you have to have killed a "Skysinger?" What, in that fight or ever? Also, do Drauven count (their base version) or must you wait for the Skysinger I card?

-Poet is required, but Goodball score over 60? What is the point of poet required if goofball must be over 60? Is this meant to be a title and just happens to unfortunately also describe one of the personalities next to goofball (which is 'poet' and has its own score)?

I read the 'target and scoring guide' but didnt find it very helpful. Any help would be appreciated.

Dreams of Icarus
The party interrupt a Drauven ritual.

Targets
site
Biome: swamp, forestDeciduous, forestConiferous
foes
Aspects: drauven
deadFoe
Aspects: drauven_skysinger
leader (required)
Score: max(LEADER,HOTHEAD,GREEDY) >= 80
Eligible for Theme: hawk
poet (required)
Score: GOOFBALL >= 60

[Ventus]

The character i am trying to trigger this on is The Romantic Leader, he has a personality score of 99 leader, but goofball is only 39. He has no other transformations (just armor, staff, and golden rabbit).

[frowningmirror]

The Goofball is a second person, it has nothing to do with your leader.

The Drauven_Skysinger is an enemy, so that card has to be available for it to trigger. After a fight with a Skysinger, this event populates. I recommend to do a Drauven campaign to get this earlier, save before the end of a battle with one. Keep saving scumming until this after battle event happens

[Ventus]

Originally posted by frowningmirror:

The Goofball is a second person, it has nothing to do with your leader.

The Drauven_Skysinger is an enemy, so that card has to be available for it to trigger. I recommend to do a Drauven campaign to get this earlier

Thank you. Im in chapter 4 of the Drauven campaign trying to get it to pop. Guess i need to just let hundreds of days pass by and see if I can spawn that card and try again on the 2nd to last tile before end (its the only non-final tile left, but its at least Drauven).

[Thieme]

Drauven skysinger seems to be an internal name? For me it was Deeven. The fatty support guys that interfuses. At first I was confused by this, started a campaign with some calamities and didn't get this skysinger card but then the event still popped, the comic showed the deeven.

[Du-Vu]

Skysinger was the old name in early access. Guess the wiki needs some updates.

[Ventus]

Originally posted by Du-Vu:

Skysinger was the old name in early access. Guess the wiki needs some updates.

Not just the Wiki. The asset in game has abilities used by Skysinger (infusion). You can see it in the Tools/Editor/Content and Comics editor (just type skysinger).

I can confirm that Drauven I card looks identical to the wiki Skysinger I, so im back to thinking this trigger condition is broken.
https://wildermyth.com/wiki/images/6/6b/Skyslinger.PNG

I think this quest is either bugged or presently WAY too hard to trigger to be meaningful.

[mediumrare]

I also had some difficulty in getting this event to happen and after playing two Drauven campaigns, I resorted to savescumming.

As for the conditions, my target hero had the highest leader, hothead and greedy score over 80 of the characters in the encounter.

My successful event was following an encounter on a swamp tile, that was against Drauven and included a deeven.

I can confirm that skysinger was an old name for the deeven enemy as per the developer here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/763890/discussions/0/3053985636032365299/

Admittedly, I cannot remember specifically having another party member that met the goofball requirement, but sounds like it wouldn't hurt ensuring another party member met this requirement.

Even with all the above, it still took me a dozen reloads at the end of the battle (I saved just before I completed the fight).

[Zoroasterisk]

I've been where you are. Got lots of news. First off, it's the Pilot[wildermyth.com] that you need to get to spawn, not the Deeven. If necessary, I can prove it*

You do need a character with Goofball>60, and this should be someone other than the person you want to give the wings to.

*You can confirm this yourself if you enable cheats and create the conditions for it to spawn, then compare that with a save that hasn't given you the specific card yet. The 'pick events' menu shows all the logic behind event triggers, including fail conditions. Wings of Icarus and Outcasts would have both been impossible for me without that.

[frowningmirror]

Originally posted by Zoroasterisk:

I've been where you are. Got lots of news. First off, it's the Pilot[wildermyth.com] that you need to get to spawn, not the Deeven. If necessary, I can prove it*

You do need a character with Goofball>60, and this should be someone other than the person you want to give the wings to. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that you also need to make sure no one in the party has any other type of wings, either. That includes wings from the Crow, Hawk, teeny, and Drauven wing themes, but also the special bug-type ones from that place I won't spoil here. A character with one of those transformations can be a part of the larger group in the overworld, but they can't take place in the actual battle to generate the event.

*You can confirm this yourself if you enable cheats and create the conditions for it to spawn, then compare that with a save that hasn't given you the specific card yet. The 'pick events' menu shows all the logic behind event triggers, including fail conditions. Wings of Icarus and Outcasts would have both been impossible for me without that.

I thought that was only the case for the goofball and leader. In fact, I might of brought my crow person with me into that battle when i got it

[Zoroasterisk]

Originally posted by frowningmirror:

Originally posted by Zoroasterisk:

I've been where you are. Got lots of news. First off, it's the Pilot[wildermyth.com] that you need to get to spawn, not the Deeven. If necessary, I can prove it*

You do need a character with Goofball>60, and this should be someone other than the person you want to give the wings to.

*You can confirm this yourself if you enable cheats and create the conditions for it to spawn, then compare that with a save that hasn't given you the specific card yet. The 'pick events' menu shows all the logic behind event triggers, including fail conditions. Wings of Icarus and Outcasts would have both been impossible for me without that.

I thought that was only the case for the goofball and leader. In fact, I might of brought my crow person with me into that battle when i got it

I think you're right. I think I got that confused with a run where I tried to use a winged character as the goofball. You do want to make sure there isn't anyone else with the transformation you're trying to get, but that's as far as it goes

[frowningmirror]

Originally posted by mediumrare:

Admittedly, I cannot remember specifically having another party member that met the goofball requirement, but sounds like it wouldn't hurt ensuring another party member met this requirement.

As a side note, a lot of people in the guide section and wiki copy and paste the script so exactly without explanation, it leads to a lot of problem how its read by our average person. For example, a line of cosmetic text will say "Goofball", but the actual script which does something says that Goofball, Healer, ect needs to be over 60. Sometimes they won't even mention if it's above 60, 80, or set to max either. I hope this gets cleaned up by someone eventually.

[Thieme]

Originally posted by Zoroasterisk:

I've been where you are. Got lots of news. First off, it's the Pilot[wildermyth.com] that you need to get to spawn, not the Deeven. If necessary, I can prove it*

Uhm sure if you have proof give it :D But as far as I know the Pilot Nobylle is used for the Drauven Wings in the event "Featherless flight" and the Deeven for Hawksoul in "Dreams of Icarus". So maybe you are confusing the two? It wouldn't make sense either because it clearly shows the Deeven in the comic

[Zoroasterisk]

Originally posted by Thieme:

Originally posted by Zoroasterisk:

I've been where you are. Got lots of news. First off, it's the Pilot[wildermyth.com] that you need to get to spawn, not the Deeven. If necessary, I can prove it*

Uhm sure if you have proof give it :D But as far as I know the Pilot Nobylle is used for the Drauven Wings in the event "Featherless flight" and the Deeven for Hawksoul in "Dreams of Icarus". So maybe you are confusing the two? It wouldn't make sense either because it clearly shows the Deeven in the comic

I'm 0 and 2! Feels bad man. I loaded up an old save that didn't have either mob's card, and proved it's the Deeven, not Pilot. Source folder is here[drive.google.com] if anyone cares. The event won't occur when the game's first loaded, but will after the card is in the deck.

[Ventus]

I can confirm that i managed to get it to spawn, with GREAT effort.

- Drauven I card was present on the map (the pop up) and was exactly the card needed.
- This event only spawns after the fight, not before.
- I save scrubbed (saved right before last hit of the fight) for 90ish minutes and got this event to spawn twice.
- I had 1 person with other wings, but the Target Character ONLY had leader 99 (goofball and hothead were both in the 30s)
- The Dice roll icon shows in the bottom right corner, but no % numbers in that choice or subsequent menu of choices.

This event is definitely wonky as hell. I set up a macro (esc, enter, and mouse clicks) to reload the save and make the last hit. I could have manually save scrub faster, but a slower macro allowed me to sit back and eat dinner and watch some streams on the other monitor.

I was reloading a save almost 3 times a minute on the macro (intentionally slow so i could stop it if I saw the event i was looking for before it esc/last choice-picked and reloaded save).

in 90 minutes, about 200 save scrubs, this event triggered TWICE (clearly needs some boost to triggering frequency, shouldn't be this hard). The first time, my character failed to get any wings and the Drauven got a calamity card (i assume this is the failure 2, but not sure why he had no Teeny Wings). The 2nd time and the last save scrub I got my Hawksoul wings.

I do not think it matters, but I made the Drauven I unit on the map the last kill (and i even used the character I wanted to get the wings. Certainly irrelevant, but when you've reloaded saves 3-400 times, you end up messing around with all kinds of superstitions).