The new definition of controls is not comfortable

[新手上路]

As the title, it is not comfortable when I play the game by a keyboard.
I define every strike by different single buttons, and I find I cannot press the up or down button together with the left or right button when I want to hit the ball.
Though I know the up and down buttons have no effects on the vertical distance of a strike, it really results in much restriction on a player's movement, especially for a ball near the net.

[ManuTOO]

Hello,

you are right, I'll fix that : when pressing any button, the player should stop moving.

[i.bischi]

I use Xbox controller and find this configuration more complex. For instance, on default what does it mean top spin -> button 1 + down? If I want a top spin towards left or right I can I do it? Thank you,

[ManuTOO]

@i.bischi,
if you want to aim left or right, you press left or right (by default, it's with the analog stick), while pressing button 1 + down.

But for the controller, it's recommended to set 1 button per strike. A default configuration for the XBox controller will come within a couple of weeks.

[tscan2004]

I'm also using the Xbox controller. By default configuration, you mean the previous configuration before this build?

There's simply too many commands right now to use only ONE button per strike.

[ManuTOO]

@tscan2004,
the new default configuration may look like this : https://www.managames.com/Forum/topic15-29252.php (you can set up like this right now by yourself).

It uses 1 strike per button, except for the topspin strike which is still B1 + down.

However, with the current default temporary configuration, I tried something different : there's 1 button that changes the behavior of 3 others, so there's no need for up/down.

I'll have to play a bit with that to see if the new default configuration will use the former or the latter between the 2. :-)

[i.bischi]

Originally posted by ManuTOO:

@i.bischi,
if you want to aim left or right, you press left or right (by default, it's with the analog stick), while pressing button 1 + down.

But for the controller, it's recommended to set 1 button per strike. A default configuration for the XBox controller will come within a couple of weeks.

Ok, thank you. I'll try some setting while I wait for default XBox default configuration,

[i.bischi]

Hello. I made other tests with my xbox controllor. I Assigned: button 4->short accell.; button 2->short strike; button 1-> normal strike; button 3->accell./strong serve; Axe3<+Axe9> -> slice / safe serve; Axe3>+Axe9> -> drop shot; button 6 -> defensive lob; button 5 -> top spin; button 5 + button 6 -> aggressive lob.
When I press one of these buttons in combination with the left button, most of the times the player continue to move to the left, so it is not possible to execute the shot. I don't have the same problem with the right button (the behaviour is not simmetric).
Furthermore sometimes when I press button 3 + left my player execute gesture 1, although gesture 1 is configured to button 8 + left.
To be honest, I regret the previuos system... in this way I can't play anymore

[ManuTOO]

@Everybody,
I just released the update ! Hopefully, it shouldn't have any issues left, but if there are some, don't hesitate to let me know and I'll try to fix them tomorrow. :-)

If your Steam don't see it, restart Steam.

Note : the Mac version is coming within 1 hour.

@i.bischi,
I'm sorry for today's inconveniences, but don't worry, I always fix the game-breaking bugs as fast as I can..!

[i.bischi]

Originally posted by ManuTOO:

@Everybody,
I just released the update ! Hopefully, it shouldn't have any issues left, but if there are some, don't hesitate to let me know and I'll try to fix them tomorrow. :-)

If your Steam don't see it, restart Steam.

Note : the Mac version is coming within 1 hour.

@i.bischi,
I'm sorry for today's inconveniences, but don't worry, I always fix the game-breaking bugs as fast as I can..!

Thanks!

[i.bischi]

Tried the SubBuild 2021.7.29. I still have the problems: sometimes the buttons in combination with left button doesn't stop the player, that continues to move towards left (no problem with opposite direction).

[DarkArts]

Same issue as @i.bischi over here. Also, the gestures seem to have some mapping issue. Sometimes they get "inverted".
Btw, would it be possible to have the option to map the kick and slice serves to the modifier keys/buttons? I find the up and down buttons for the different serves kind of uncomfortable.

Another non-controls related thing that has caught my attention. The puff of smoke that shows up when performing an acceleration shot now shows when the stamina bar is near the half.

[ManuTOO]

@i.bischi & Astro Andrew,
could you send me a Bug Report so I'd get your control configuration ? (HowTo => https://www.managames.com/Forum/topic5-31732.php )
And if possible, try to see what combination leads to unwanted moving.

@Astro Andrew,
1) Gesture inversion will be fixed in today's update, thanks to your report !

2) The setup screen is already kind of clogged now, so I'd rather not add new stuff (especially as I may still add a couple of new buttons later on), except if it's a popular request.
Were you using the Alternate Up/Down during strikes before ?

3) You probably just turned on the DevMode, right ? This allows to see me how much in negative the stamina goes...

[trankhuc97]

Originally posted by ManuTOO:

@i.bischi & Astro Andrew,
could you send me a Bug Report so I'd get your control configuration ? (HowTo => https://www.managames.com/Forum/topic5-31732.php )
And if possible, try to see what combination leads to unwanted moving.

@Astro Andrew,
1) Gesture inversion will be fixed in today's update, thanks to your report !

2) The setup screen is already kind of clogged now, so I'd rather not add new stuff (especially as I may still add a couple of new buttons later on), except if it's a popular request.
Were you using the Alternate Up/Down during strikes before ?

3) You probably just turned on the DevMode, right ? This allows to see me how much in negative the stamina goes...

hello.

I agree that this new definition of controls is very difficult to get used to.
Therefore, i have an opinion like this, can you make 2 controls options, like the old one is basic control, and this new control is advance, so we can choose between the 2 controls.
Just my idea. Thanks for reading.

[ManuTOO]

@trankhuc97,
by default, for the keyboard, the new mapping matches exactly the old mapping, except for the gestures (so people don't do gestures by mistake anymore when playing online).

For the controller, I'll create default mappings for the XBox & PS4/5 controllers that will be right away much more usable than the old mapping (ie: about 1 button per strike).

If there are 2 ways to configure everything, it'll just add confusion to newcomers, which is the opposite of my current goal. :-)

[DarkArts]

Originally posted by ManuTOO:

@i.bischi & Astro Andrew,
could you send me a Bug Report so I'd get your control configuration ? (HowTo => https://www.managames.com/Forum/topic5-31732.php )
And if possible, try to see what combination leads to unwanted moving.

@Astro Andrew,
1) Gesture inversion will be fixed in today's update, thanks to your report !

2) The setup screen is already kind of clogged now, so I'd rather not add new stuff (especially as I may still add a couple of new buttons later on), except if it's a popular request.
Were you using the Alternate Up/Down during strikes before ?

3) You probably just turned on the DevMode, right ? This allows to see me how much in negative the stamina goes...

1) Awesome!

2) Yes. I was using the alternate up and down before to execute some strikes and the different kind of serves.

3) Didn't know this already had a DevMode. I assume you activate it from one of the .ini files as I haven't seen the option in the menus.

Lastly, I'll send the Bug Report regarding the controller as soon as I can. Busy day today