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Thomas 12 сен. 2019 г. в 18:16
Isn't Cleopatra a bit weak ?
On the 1st view :

Is it really worth to take Cleopatra for 1 civil turn and another civil turn to only get +1 for wonders OR
+1 for buildings ?! - Compared to other leaders - i find her a bit weak. (not to say useless)
In my opinion I could also take one or two action cards. (Engineering genius gives me twice the bonus and would cost me 1 civil turn less)

compared to Boudicca (as an example) - (getting +1 for everything and stacking with action cards - Cleopatras +1 does not stack with action cards)

In my opinion she should benefit +2 for wonders or +1 for buildings -
or at least +1 for wonders AND +1 for buildings


I would like to hear what other people think about her...
This is the only card i have seen so far that i am a bit unhappy with
Отредактировано Thomas; 12 сен. 2019 г. в 18:24
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El Guapo 12 сен. 2019 г. в 21:49 
I was in a situation that was perfect for her. Just started a wonder and hadn't built urban yet. Cleo was well worth it.
She's just very situational.
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Elwen  [Разработчик] 12 сен. 2019 г. в 23:31 
Also note that you can benefit from Cleopatra bonus during the same turn you select her as a leader.
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Thomas 12 сен. 2019 г. в 23:42 
Автор сообщения: Elwen
Also note that you can benefit from Cleopatra bonus during the same turn you select her as a leader.

Oh i see , thanks for the hint - sooner or later i will test her :D

p.s. btw i found another localization "bug" for the german language (maybe you read it)
The Nostradamus description doesn't say he also get's +3 defence vs agression raids.

(I also mailed it to you)
Отредактировано Thomas; 12 сен. 2019 г. в 23:48
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Samis 27 сен. 2019 г. в 22:00 
I tend to agree with the original poster. Boudicca is clearly better since she gives you a choice between 3 items which is more useful as in some cases (a) you need 1 more science/ food for a tech/pop (b) the extra hammer can cause corruption and (c) sometimes while you don't build anything or only military so Cleopatra gets nothing those turns. And while trailing in swords, one is compelled to use 2 hammer to build military, one likely needs it then and it is also 2 resources as opposed to 1.

Edit: I believe you also don't get a hammer if you build a mine/farm.
Отредактировано Samis; 3 окт. 2019 г. в 21:38
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dcain3456 6 окт. 2019 г. в 16:56 
Just from game evidence, Boudicca is almost always taken as a leader while Cleopatra rarely is.
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Thomas 6 окт. 2019 г. в 23:03 
As i opened the thread the addon was 1-2 days old

So far as i can tell (a few weeks after posting my thread) in two of my games i took Cleopatra and both games went pretty well and it also stacks with urban growth now.
I also had a chance to play a top player who took her as well.

So while still not my favorite meanwhile i think she is a decent leader
Отредактировано Thomas; 6 окт. 2019 г. в 23:07
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Auracle 7 окт. 2019 г. в 1:45 
Cleopatra is definitely underpowered. She needs a small, extra bonus like gain 1 culture whenever you complete a wonder stage.
Отредактировано Auracle; 7 окт. 2019 г. в 1:46
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Thomas 7 окт. 2019 г. в 3:32 
Автор сообщения: Auracle
Cleopatra is definitely underpowered. She needs a small, extra bonus like gain 1 culture whenever you complete a wonder stage.

maybe an ability to counter Julius Caesar if he's in the game :D (Caesar can't play agression vs you something like that - or you can see the political events he plays (like Nostradamus can see) or you get +1 military strenght when Julius Caesar is controlled by another player

the 3-4 extra culture is not really a bonus

p.s or just simple +1 blue token
Отредактировано Thomas; 7 окт. 2019 г. в 3:43
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Auracle 7 окт. 2019 г. в 18:58 
+1 culture whenever you complete a wonder stage OR urban building? Leaders should never directly counter another leader by name. It could be indirect like +1 military strength per wonder when defending.
Отредактировано Auracle; 7 окт. 2019 г. в 19:06
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<™[-=> Cookiez <=-]™> 7 окт. 2019 г. в 23:47 
She's very weak.

Boudica gives Cleopatra's power, isn't limited to wonders and is 3 times more versatile.


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Firnefex 8 окт. 2019 г. в 2:58 
Автор сообщения: <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>
She's very weak.

Boudica gives Cleopatra's power, isn't limited to wonders and is 3 times more versatile.

She is not.
Boudica gives, all she can do, one turn later. Cleo is ready when you vote her.
If you just keep your Age A leader for few rounds, Cleopatra could be better, because she isn't in the need to be top military, but you have to look at corruption (wonder steps should cost more, Roman Roads and Silk Road have mostly 1 cost steps, so you can't use Cleo for max potential). Its also a matter of player count (e.g. in 2 player when opponent has Colossos, Boudica could be really bad)
But the longer you keep your leader the better Boudica gets in comparison.

Conclusion:
If you just want to build a 3-4 step wonder and build/upgrade your labs and then immediately choose another leader, take Cleo, not Boudica!
Отредактировано Firnefex; 8 окт. 2019 г. в 3:02
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<™[-=> Cookiez <=-]™> 8 окт. 2019 г. в 3:37 
Автор сообщения: Firnefex
Автор сообщения: <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>
She's very weak.

Boudica gives Cleopatra's power, isn't limited to wonders and is 3 times more versatile.

She is not.
Boudica gives, all she can do, one turn later. Cleo is ready when you vote her.
If you just keep your Age A leader for few rounds, Cleopatra could be better, because she isn't in the need to be top military, but you have to look at corruption (wonder steps should cost more, Roman Roads and Silk Road have mostly 1 cost steps, so you can't use Cleo for max potential). Its also a matter of player count (e.g. in 2 player when opponent has Colossos, Boudica could be really bad)
But the longer you keep your leader the better Boudica gets in comparison.

Conclusion:
If you just want to build a 3-4 step wonder and build/upgrade your labs and then immediately choose another leader, take Cleo, not Boudica!

Cleopatra's first turn would be wasted.

Do you use Cleopatra on the first turn or do you invest in some other resource, like maybe Bronze?


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Benkyo 8 окт. 2019 г. в 4:13 
"Boudicca is better than Cleopatra" is such a common mistake. Even I thought so at first glance. It's simply not true though. One turn difference in benefit is significant for an age A leader, and Boudicca can easily get stuck with a useless ability of "build a free warrior" when you have no free yellow tokens and/or no tech to compete in military.
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Firnefex 8 окт. 2019 г. в 12:41 
Автор сообщения: <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>
Cleopatra's first turn would be wasted.

Do you use Cleopatra on the first turn or do you invest in some other resource, like maybe Bronze?
Why wasted? If you take her 1st round, then you elect her and have 2 ore +1 (ability) => +1 new Lab instead of Bronze, without Urban Growth.
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<™[-=> Cookiez <=-]™> 8 окт. 2019 г. в 16:51 
Автор сообщения: Firnefex
Автор сообщения: <™-=> Cookiez <=-™>
Cleopatra's first turn would be wasted.

Do you use Cleopatra on the first turn or do you invest in some other resource, like maybe Bronze?
Why wasted? If you take her 1st round, then you elect her and have 2 ore +1 (ability) => +1 new Lab instead of Bronze, without Urban Growth.

So, after the free round, you place Cleopatra down to get labs instead of Bronze?

Sure, whatever strategy you choose.
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