Humans vs AI?

[A'vee]

Hey devs, great game, had a lot of fun getting my butt kicked today. So awesome it handles crossplay too (iPad and PC).
But to the point - the trailer says "Play with your friends, beat AI opponent". This led me to think that it is possible to mix human and AI players in one game.. Can't find it anywhere in the options though, is it at all possible? And if not, any plans to add it? I think it would be even more interesting than just doing a 1 vs 1 battle.

[Ail]

As far as I know the only way to do it right now is to have someone join and then leave the game so they get replaced by an AI.
And according to the one time that happened to me that AI is the not-so-competent Level I.

[Benkyo]

Ail lähetti viestin:

And according to the one time that happened to me that AI is the not-so-competent Level I.

Ugh, that's a mistake for sure. Even the highest level AI isn't as good as an average human opponent. Why use an incompetent bot in this case?

Options for mixed human/AI games would be good devs. Please make this happen!

[Carlos]

Benkyo lähetti viestin:

Even the highest level AI isn't as good as an average human opponent.

I'd say the highest level AI is way beyond average. It's not brilliant obviously but at least it doesn't make mistakes and oversights, of which average human players make plenty.

But I agree with your general point, if the replacement AI is really only the basic level, the devs should definitely bump it up at least one notch.

[Benkyo]

Carlos77 lähetti viestin:

Benkyo lähetti viestin:

Even the highest level AI isn't as good as an average human opponent.

I'd say the highest level AI is way beyond average. It's not brilliant obviously but at least it doesn't make mistakes and oversights, of which average human players make plenty.

But I agree with your general point, if the replacement AI is really only the basic level, the devs should definitely bump it up at least one notch.

I suppose I really meant "average owner of the game, who is used to complex boardgames, and is given time to think". I agree that if "average" includes people playing blitz games and that guy who came along to play Codenames but got roped into TtA, then the bot is probably better...? Hard to say. In any case, I see no reason why the highest level bot shouldn't be used, or at least an option provided in setup.

[Narkulus]

It's a shame the game doesn't have an ELO rating system, then the game could fill in with an AI close to the lowest ELO player still in the game.

[Ail]

the game could look at single-player the stats of the player that left and decide which AI best respresents them... for all I know that could even be the case. I've only seen very low-level players leave the game preemtively

[Drac]

just bumping this... looking to add AI to multiplayer online games as well.
On a separate note, I saw discussions about pass and play games (hot seat) - can't seem to find that option either.. any help appreciated. Thanks!

[Ail]

Pass and play isn't there in the Steam version, only the tablet version. The reason is that the devs thought it would make little sense on PC cause you'd see your opponents military-cards.

[Narkulus]

Ail lähetti viestin:

Pass and play isn't there in the Steam version, only the tablet version. The reason is that the devs thought it would make little sense on PC cause you'd see your opponents military-cards.

When in actuality, it can make sense if you own a Windows Tablet or small laptop.

[Elwen]

Just to clarify. Pass and Play feature for Steam is still on the table! It is quite high on our feature wish-list. We will probably start looking into it once we fix the few bugs that slipped into release version. Stay tuned!

[Beric01]

Just wanted to add my support for adding an AI player to MP games.

[sergio.fedi]

I really want to purchase this game but the lack of putting an AI opponent is a deal breaker for me.

I want to play with a friend, online, and add AIs. That is not supported.

[Federico]

Adding AIs to online games with friends is a functionality that is a given considering the genre. The game seems nice but I'll wait to support it with a purchase until we know if and when said feature is coming.

[Swisspike]

Carlos77 lähetti viestin:

Benkyo lähetti viestin:

Even the highest level AI isn't as good as an average human opponent.

I'd say the highest level AI is way beyond average. It's not brilliant obviously but at least it doesn't make mistakes and oversights, of which average human players make plenty.

But I agree with your general point, if the replacement AI is really only the basic level, the devs should definitely bump it up at least one notch.

Agreed. Chess computers just do not make mistakes, so long as their programmings is good. They may not make human-inspired plays, but most humans lose games by poor play, than win them by inspired play.

[Ail]

Benkyo lähetti viestin:

Even the highest level AI isn't as good as an average human opponent.

I don't know how good you think the average human opponent is... But I only started playing MP now with the steam-release after 3 months of playing exclusively against AI.

So far I've won 6 out of 7 games in MP, whereas against the Lvl III AI I only win about half of my games.

I mean sure, Lvl 30+ players are probably a lot better but that's clearly way above the average.