BloodLust 2: Nemesis

BloodLust 2: Nemesis

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Plebeian Kilo Apr 11, 2019 @ 11:32pm
Is this better than the first game?
Title says it all. Is this, in its current state, better than the first game?
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Knuti Mar 26, 2020 @ 8:34am 
Originally posted by Crimson Queen Remilia:
(in reality I have a 180 degree field of vision and can't handle that being lowered to a 30 degree box).

? Everyone has 180 degrees of vision.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/11-Human-field-of-view-a-vertical-b-horizontal-from-Heil92_fig10_2617390
DedZedNub Mar 26, 2020 @ 8:06pm 
Originally posted by Crimson Queen Remilia:
Originally posted by ironmadeit:
Yes if you like the first you love this one

What about someone who is only up to the part of the game where I have to wake up some guy (about four hours into the game maybe five) but can't stnad it because the storyline is dumb and hijacked my character to turn her into an emo git "I hate myself" kinda of vampire? Not to mention the plot hole of abandoning the search for your Sire in order to kill the Emperor... SO STUPID.

The first game... Is very close to getting refunded for being so bad. What is the story like in this game? Does your vampire still hate being a vampire? Is it still about killing vampires rather than being one? Seriously, I am sick of the emo git vampire "I hate myself" crap.

Crimson Queen Remilia:

I would say to you that the point you are at is actually the point where the game beings to expand its possibilities.

Perhaps like you, I really worried at the point where you felt stuck. I liked overall the atmosphere, but the dialog with this guy who was asleep and the early, early NPCs made me think I might be hemming in my options which was worrisome. Instead, just like most other story tutorial starting RPGs, it only seems so, and then everything begins to expand.

See, up to that point, you really don't have much options in loot, in skills, in getting help from NPCs, and you are only going up against planned balanced enemies. It is all just a story introduction and tutorial, without saying it is.

This was the case in Dungeon Lords way back, similar in System Shock or Deus Ex, even so in the original Vampire the Masquerade game. It isn't until you start dealing with the NPCs that you get access to a shop, that you can fence your loot, that you can store some items away, that you get additional chances for instruction ... AND MOST IMPORTANTLY that you can begin to truly expand going down deeper into the random dungeon and interactive story with consequences.

So, at the point you are, you have actually only experienced the least interesting part. It has some of the atmosphere, but not much engaging gameplay. Once you actually get past the first shopkeeper's first 2 quests, you have not really even begun to expand the gameplay at all, beyond the most basic tutorial gameplay.

Also, right after that point, your XP is going to start kicking in more improvements for your character, expanding your horizons and capabilities, making you start to imagine that maybe you can do things, and yes you can.

So, I'd play first more of the first game, say another good 4-8 hours, and I think you will revise your opinion to a positive. That was actually what I did a while back, then after that I just bought also Bloodlust: Nemesis even though it was still in Early Access, because I knew that it would be worth it just to have more of the same, let alone some new features, and to support the dev.

Hope that helps you out some. So, put 4-8 more hours into the first game, and I bet by even 2-3 hours more, you will become enthusiastic. Sure some parts of a bit rough, but the gameplay variety picks up and you start feeling you are more powerful yet more at risk, while retaining much mystery, which is probably what you want. You aren't even 1% into the game yet, where you are stuck, I guarantee.

I've actually bought maybe 12 more games since I got these Bloodlust games and yet I constantly think I want to go back to them instead and play more. Which I'm about to do in a week or so, just am trying to go thru the other dead wood. The biggest issue is I have to relearn the controls, but I actually did some of that a while back, and it is actually easy to start a new character and relearn the game, just takes a bit of time to customize the controls the way I want. So that maybe tells you something.
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PyroSaphuron Mar 26, 2020 @ 8:11pm 
Originally posted by DedZedNub:
I would say to you that the point you are at is actually the point where the game beings to expand its possibilities.

Perhaps like you, I really worried at this point. I liked overall the atmosphere, but the dialog with this guy who was asleep and the early, early NPCs made me think I might be hemming in my options which was worrisome. Instead, just like most other story tutorial starting RPGs, it only seems so, and then everything begins to expand.

I appreciate your effort, the thing is, my issue with this game is the anti-vampire story. Prior to getting the game, it was portrayed in a way that you are a vampire and fine with it. Yet once you start playing the game, you realize it's the opposite. As a Sanguivore myself, and a huge fan of vampires (not to mention someone who wishes they were real), it's the anti-vampire theme that gets me. I got both games at the same time and did not know both were anti-vampire. I like the style of the game, it's the story I have an issue with. I'm cool with dungeon crawling and all that. Then people say "Go play Bloodlines" and such, but it's like, could the game description have at least said you're a vampire slayer and not a vampire? I get that would spoil the surprise, but it's a surprise I didn't want.
DedZedNub Mar 26, 2020 @ 8:16pm 
Hmm, ok. Well, I chose the hybrid version, so for me, it didn't matter if I was on the side of the vampires or not. I saw myself as on my own personal side and then able to choose sides as I wished.

I see your quandary though. I'd suggest, just in order to get value out of the game, roleplaying it differently -- such as like a hybrid human/vampire. But, if you don't want to do that, or if the story dissapoints greatly in that way -- I can see how you would be disappointed.

I'm not aware if the story in the second game or the situation is different. Perhaps the dev might be able to answer your question or provide such an addition or DLC in future that might fit your preference. Might be worth suggesting to him directly. Perhaps you can help him design a reasonable proposal.

It might be something he could and might like to do, but it might take some time to think about and to set up the necessary options or NPCs to achieve that web of options or story in the game. It might also be a popular option people might pay to have, interesting option, I'd certainly be interested.
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PyroSaphuron Mar 26, 2020 @ 8:20pm 
Originally posted by DedZedNub:
It might be something he could and might like to do, but it might take some time to think about and to set up the necessary options or NPCs to achieve that web of options or story in the game. It might also be a popular option people might pay to have, interesting option, I'd certainly be interested.

That would be great. Like a "join the vampires" option would be awesome. I do like the mechanics of the game and the how it is done, I grew up on dungeon crawling games like Wizardry and Might & Magic so I have a long attention span for such things. I would be more than happy to even help with ideas and brainstorming, because vampires is a bit of a thing of mine heh.
indio68 Mar 29, 2020 @ 3:31pm 
Originally posted by Crimson Queen Remilia:
Why are all the vampire games seemingly anti-vampire? When will someone make a real good vampire game where you actually love what you are? I don't necessarily mean playing evil, either. Rather, someone who loves being a vampire but is still has a good and bad side like every other intelligent lifeform in the multiiverse. I would try the Bloodlines games but I can't play first person games due to the limited view making me disoriented (in reality I have a 180 degree field of vision and can't handle that being lowered to a 30 degree box).
bloodlines and hopefully the sequel
PyroSaphuron Mar 29, 2020 @ 4:09pm 
Originally posted by indio68:
bloodlines and hopefully the sequel

Well I have immense trouble with first person games. I can't function with a 30 degree box to look through you see. I know the first game can be modded, but I can't play the second until it too is modded to have a proper view. Why anyone would make an RPG first person is beyond me. Part of character creation is seeing your character, after all.
Onikage May 2, 2020 @ 8:37pm 
Originally posted by Crimson Queen Remilia:
Originally posted by Oni:
Because vampirism is considered a curse and not a blessing by most people. If you want to play as a badass vampire whom relishes in his vampirism and sees the world in a different perspective you should check out the older Legacy of Kain games. I highly recommend them.

That is WAY over the top. Legacy of Kain is... yeah, I can barely call that vampire-related, sorry. Twilight is more accurate to vampires. More to the point, there is no custom character. I want to play a vampire of my own creation, not some lame stereotype "badass". Why aren't vampires more complex than that most of the time? All badasses or monsters. *smdh* The Bloodlines games almost get it right, but there are still major problems there, not the least of which being the first bloody person perspective (which disorients me because of my wide peripheral vision). What I would like is more akin to Grand Theft Auto: Vampires, where you can pick and choose how you live your unlife in an open sandbox that has a background story but is more about players... well... being vampires? Like not "I am damned" and not "I am out to kill all of my kind" but "Neat, I'm a vampire. Immortal, cool. Powers, cool. Let's enjoy life. Maybe be a hero. Maybe be a villain. Maybe just enjoy the world."

Whatever dude. The Legacy of Kain series, including the Soul Reaver games are considered to be top notch in storytelling and presentation of vampire themed games by most fans of their time. They are anything but "stereotypical", far from it.The Bloodline games don't "Almost get it right". They are the standard which others try to emulate.

Twilight is more accurate to vampires? According to whom, you? You're taking one movie saga and comparing it to the library full of films, literature, and games of vampires that has already been established, and you're trying to tell me that Twilight is the measuring stick for vampire lore? I don't think so buddy.

You want to see a classic vampire movie? Watch the first 1987 movie called The Lost Boys. Starring Kiefer Sutherland, Jason Patric, and Corey Haim. It puts Twilight to shame in comparison, and it does it within an hour and forty minutes within one film.

After reading your post again I'm fairly certain you have no idea what constitutes being a vampire.

"Neat I'm a vampire. Immortal, cool. Powers, cool. Let's enjoy life. Maybe be a hero. Maybe be a villain. Maybe just enjoy the world." - That statement tells me you are completely clueless about the nature of vampires.

First of all, vampires aren't "enjoying the world", they are existing, surviving, during the night by feeding off of the living for blood - that is what thrills them, like a drug almost. Secondly, by most accounts vampires are considered undead, and are not "enjoying life". They are predators stalking there prey. They may seem charming, but it's all a facade in order to kill to get blood to sustain themselves. They are monsters by nature. They are not the happy go lucky twinkle toe types that you somehow have ingrained into your mind.

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PyroSaphuron May 2, 2020 @ 10:08pm 
Originally posted by Oni:
Twilight is more accurate to vampires? According to whom, you? You're taking one movie saga and comparing it to the library full of films and literature of vampires that has already been established, and you're trying to tell me that Twilight is the measuring stick for vampire lore? I don't think so buddy.

Way to completely miss the point. I made that comparison because Twilight is NOT a good example of vampires, and it's STILL more accurate and interesting than Legacy of Kain.

Originally posted by Oni:
After reading your post again I'm fairly certain you have no idea what constitutes being a vampire.

And now you're throwing insults. I know infinitely more about vampires than you do. I'm also an actual sanguivore. I've studied many different kinds of vampires. Legacy of Kain is one of the worst representations of vampirism.

Originally posted by Oni:
"Neat I'm a vampire. Immortal, cool. Powers, cool. Let's enjoy life. Maybe be a hero. Maybe be a villain. Maybe just enjoy the world." - That statement tells me you are completely clueless about the nature of vampires.

First of all, vampires aren't "enjoying the world", they are existing, surviving, during the night by feeding off of the living for blood - that is what thrills them, like a drug almost. Secondly, by most accounts vampires are considered undead, and are not "enjoying life". They are predators stalking there prey. They may seem charming, but it's all a facade in order to kill to get blood to sustain themselves. They are monsters by nature. They are not the happy go lucky twinkle toe types that you somehow have ingrained into your mind.

Pardon if I think the stereotype of "all vampires must be brooding emo gits that are soulless monsters" is ridiculous and offensive. Vampires can be as varied as humans. It's also madness to claim they can't enjoy anything: anyone who can feel pain can also feel joy, that is a fact of existence.

And personally, I know if I were a true vampire as in World of Darkness, I would absolutely be enjoying my life. All that stuff you said? Sounds GREAT to me. I love the taste of blood. Also, the idea of "undead" is silly: if you look at vampires in most mythologies, and apply science, they ARE alive by the very definition of life. "The crucial difference between life and non-life (or non-living things) is that life uses energy for physical and conscious development." Vampires reproduce, they learn, they interact with the world, they think and exist: THAT IS LIFE. Heck, my only complaint with Masquerade is that it goes by the assumption that Christianity is fact (which is beyond ridiculous and why I never use such an origin when storytelling).

You sound like one of those types who would actually think drinking someone's blood without permission counts as rape (another ridiculous sentiment if there ever was one). Hell, if I could make one wish and have it absolutely come true the way I want it, I would be an actual vampire. So don't tell me I don't know what it's about. I know the mythologies. I also apply common sense and logic. There is no such thing as an evil race/species/etc. That is moral absolutism that largely comes from Christian ideology, and that ideology is a disgusting and oppressive one that set humanity back a thousand years by burning the Library of Alexandria and ushering in the Dark Ages.

When I see the Masquerade Clans, I don't see evil vampires, I see representations of aspects of HUMANITY. Ventrue are the rich elite, Toreador are Hollywood, Gangrel are your survivalists and mountain men, Malkavians are the mentally ill, Tremere are cultists, Brujah are gang-bangers, Nosferatu are outcasts and bullying victims. Vampires are just humanity taken to the extreme.

Furthermore, if I once again look at it from a scientific perspective, judging vampires through human morality is ridiculous. They are Apex Predators, and if we consider it from an evolutionary perspective, they would exist to help curb the human population because humanity NEEDS a natural predator due to overpopulation and insane resource destruction. It can also be OBJECTIVELY stated that, at least in World of Darkness, humans are more evil than vampires. Yes, objectively. Human hunters from the Inquisition look to eradicate vampires completely and have no desire to co-exist, which constitutes genocide. You know what no vampire in World of Darkness has ever done? Attempted to kill all humans. This means even the Tzimisce are more morally upright than humanity, especially when you consider that, at least in World of Darkness, vampires are responsible for most human advancement anyway (which makes Christian destruction of the Great Library an even greater crime in the World of Darkness than it was in reality as it was done as an act against vampires).

EVERY person can take WHATEVER path they like through life. Good or evil... all a choice. And the idea vampires can't love, the dumbest of all. Love is not an emotion, love is a promise.

Do not ever attempt to lecture me on the subject about which I'm most well-versed again.
JadetheBabyMama May 2, 2020 @ 11:55pm 
how did this turn from a discussion to whether shadowhunter is better than nemesis or vice versa to a mini flame war?
Knuti May 3, 2020 @ 12:07am 
Originally posted by JacktheRipper:
how did this turn from a discussion to whether shadowhunter is better than nemesis or vice versa to a mini flame war?

How could it not? :P
PyroSaphuron May 3, 2020 @ 2:18am 
Flame war implies flames on both sides. Please point out specifics as to what flames I posted. It is one-sided. I was attacked, I did no attacking. My entire post was historical and philosophical with a bit of wishful thinking after I was told off for stating the fact that Legacy of Kain was not good at portraying vampires. It gets really old being constantly accused of things that I don't do.
Onikage May 3, 2020 @ 8:10am 
Originally posted by Crimson Queen Remilia:
Flame war implies flames on both sides. Please point out specifics as to what flames I posted. It is one-sided. I was attacked, I did no attacking. My entire post was historical and philosophical with a bit of wishful thinking after I was told off for stating the fact that Legacy of Kain was not good at portraying vampires. It gets really old being constantly accused of things that I don't do.

I apologize. Sorry, I guess I went off the deep end. I should not have insulted you.

I'll concede that apparently I do not know more about vampires than you. They are after all fictional works of art. So I suppose the sky is the limit in regards to the imagination.

Being creative and having new ideas is good.

Also, for the record, what is a sanguivore? Or are you just messing with me?

Edit: I am also a Christian. I harbor no hate towards you. Even though I believe in Jesus, I still find entertainment in fictional stuff. I hope you understand and can accept my apology.

None of us are perfect, and we all make mistakes. Good day to you sir =)
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PyroSaphuron May 3, 2020 @ 1:26pm 
Originally posted by Oni:
Also, for the record, what is a sanguivore? Or are you just messing with me?

Not messing with you. Sanguivores are "real vampires" so to speak, we drink blood. And it helps our health in real ways, the most obvious and clear of which is typically digestion and stomach problems (like IBS and such). Helps different people different amounts, and some just enjoy it. Little bit of both for me.

Originally posted by Oni:
Edit: I am also a Christian. I harbor no hate towards you. Even though I believe in Jesus, I still find entertainment in fictional stuff. I hope you understand and can accept my apology.

None of us are perfect, and we all make mistakes. Good day to you sir =)

I do accept, and thank you. It is much appreciated. I have had a hard time with religion in the course of my life. Being disowned by my Christian family for being a lesbian sent me over the edge in many ways (I even got arrested for threatening them after they disowned me, making me feel even more unwanted by society, and to this day I feel unfairly persecuted even though I've done nothing truly wrong and harmed none). I feel like America would rather I just drop dead most of the time, I'm a third class citizen in this country forced to live in poverty due to disability and lack of opportunities. All that is where my hatred stems from.

If more religious people were like you, the world would certainly be a better place. Thank you again.
JadetheBabyMama May 3, 2020 @ 11:23pm 
Originally posted by Crimson Queen Remilia:
Flame war implies flames on both sides. Please point out specifics as to what flames I posted. It is one-sided. I was attacked, I did no attacking. My entire post was historical and philosophical with a bit of wishful thinking after I was told off for stating the fact that Legacy of Kain was not good at portraying vampires. It gets really old being constantly accused of things that I don't do.
That's why it's called a mini flame war. (I had more to say, but it was over a paragraph. so just tiny joke.) Although question, I remember from the Legacy of Kain series that water burns them to the touch....where the hell did that idea start?

For Record, I also don't think Nemesis is better than the first, both of these games are rough indie games made in unreal, and while I do enjoy both, I think Nemesis lost a solid chunk of what made the original game charming/fun to me.
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