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[Limone]

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[Quillithe]

Originally posted by oNsee:

Do i really have to visit the Black forge to progress? im trying to get the elevator and visit the Black Forge for over 90 min. Otherwise im quitting. Tis is so freaking annoying!

I think you're maybe trying the wrong way to get to the black hole forge.

Hint:look up at it. does anything look familiar?



Solution:You teleport there from ash twin

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by oNsee:

Originally posted by Quillithe:

I think you're maybe trying the wrong way to get to the black hole forge.

Hint:look up at it. does anything look familiar?



Solution:You teleport there from ash twin

I know, but so i have to go to the hollow Planet to activate the Elevator for the forge, then i have to get back to the surface, i do this by jumping into the hole, later i take the warp portal at the station to get to the surface, then i fly to Ash Twin to get teleported. Last time after doing this, i just jumped in the forged, got thrown upside down and got sucked by the hole. Sometimes i dont make it in time, Other times i got damage when warping because hitting sth and died. I died in so many ways while trying to get to the forge, its insanely frustrating

Ahh okay, I feel like it's faster just taking the shortcut in and out rather than using the black hole - there's a path to the surface right around where the forge controls are. And then you have to be careful to not jump once you're there, damage when warping sounds like a weird bug.

I forgot there was a projection stone with nowhere to put it, just take it with you once you've read things and you can put it in any projection stone holder, there's one on the surface or wherever else you remember one. I think they changed some stuff in a patch from an earlier version of the room to add more hints.

At the risk of being wordy, in case you miss something and are too frustrated, hre's all the text from the place thanks to the transcript people made:


POKE: Clary and Root, kindly tune the alignments on each black hole core as I finish them. The schematic on the floor shows which warp tower aligns with which astral body.

CLARY: To speed future deliveries to Ash Twin, I've tuned the first black hole core to activate when it's warp tower aligns along with Brittle Hollow.

CLARY: And before anyone comments, yes, I am aware this reduces the distance between Yarrow and me.

ROOT: This schematic shows the six towers on Ash Twin being tuned to only five alignments. Is that a mistake?

POKE: No, that's correct. For these alignments we've decided to treat the Hourglass Twins as a single astral body.

POKE: If it helps, you can imagine the Hourglass Twins as aligning with themselves.
POKE: Have you seen Phlox's tower designs in the High Energy Lab on Ember Twin? They clarify each tower's warp destination.

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ROOT: Where am I taking this first black hole core? (And where am I taking the remaining cores once they're ready?)

POKE: The white hole cores are for the six warp receivers. Each warp tower leads to a different planet, so that will be a greater pain in your cervical spine (Yarrow knows the exact locations).
CLARY: All of the warp towers are being constructed on Ash Twin, so the black hole cores will go there.

ROOT: My gratitude! In that case: Poke, Clary, I'm leaving for delivery! I'll send Yarrow your regards.

CLARY: Poke, I'll return to the forge shortly; I'm going to catch up to Root and help him deliver the first core to Ash Twin, just to make sure Yarrow receives it.

POKE: Of course you are.

{Brittle Hollow ~ Ash Twin}

CLARY: I have good news, Yarrow! The advanced warp core is ready to be installed at the heart of the Ash Twin Project.

YARROW: I'm intrigued, love!
POKE: No, it isn't!

YARROW: Is everything well at the forge?

CLARY: Don't worry, love; Poke is only nervous. The core is extraordinary, and her design work is beautifully clever.
POKE: The core’s durability could still be improved! I need more time!
CLARY: Ignore her, Yarrow. The core is finished. And if my sister tells you otherwise, then she will be finished, as well.

[Lonecat]

I was too lazy to do the "teleport" thing, but instead you can land your ship on the "roof" which is the path leading to the forge.

Go "under" the two towers (the ones that allow you to wall climb - might take you 30s or so to find a right spot), then land on the first or second floor roughly next to the two towers, activate the forge and then go up up up with your ship until you are near the roof and spin, then it sticks to the ceiling.

[TheConceptBoy]

Originally posted by Lonecat:

I was too lazy to do the "teleport" thing, but instead you can land your ship on the "roof" which is the path leading to the forge.

Go "under" the two towers (the ones that allow you to wall climb - might take you 30s or so to find a right spot), then land on the first or second floor roughly next to the two towers, activate the forge and then go up up up with your ship until you are near the roof and spin, then it sticks to the ceiling.

Jesus , lmfao I thought I was the only one who thought this takes too damn long, just gonna jank it...

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by TheConceptBoy:

Originally posted by Lonecat:

I was too lazy to do the "teleport" thing, but instead you can land your ship on the "roof" which is the path leading to the forge.

Go "under" the two towers (the ones that allow you to wall climb - might take you 30s or so to find a right spot), then land on the first or second floor roughly next to the two towers, activate the forge and then go up up up with your ship until you are near the roof and spin, then it sticks to the ceiling.

Jesus , lmfao I thought I was the only one who thought this takes too damn long, just gonna jank it...

I didn't think it was too long with the shortcut in and out of the city.

Also I don't have the flying skills, I tried that after doing it the right way and couldn't pull it off.

[marshkie]

Originally posted by oNsee:

Do i really have to visit the Black forge to progress? im trying to get the elevator and visit the Black Forge for over 90 min. Otherwise im quitting. Tis is so freaking annoying!

no, it's not required (but could be helpful). If you're getting frustrated try looking elsewhere.

[Fear Ghoul]

Once I noticed the teleporter I realized I had to find the other one. I remember trying to fire a scout there to see where it ended up, so after that I just headed toward where the scout ended up. I think that's actually how I realized just how important Ember Twin was.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Fear Ghoul:

Once I noticed the teleporter I realized I had to find the other one. I remember trying to fire a scout there to see where it ended up, so after that I just headed toward where the scout ended up. I think that's actually how I realized just how important Ember Twin was.

I didn't think that would work, those pads are only active after teleporting to send you back, right?

[Fear Ghoul]

Now I'm trying to remember if I actually did pull it off. I sure remember firing those scouts, and once I start on something like that, I don't stop until I pull it off or until I determine it's not possible. The teleporters activate based on the them pointing at each other, right? Maybe I'll go test to see if this actually works.

[Fear Ghoul]

OK, now I'm getting confused. I flew into Brittle Hollow, fired a scout at the teleporter pad (realizing this time how much easier it is to just stand on the bridge area below instead of the crazy stuff I did before trying to fly my ship and aim just right), and nothing happened. I went to the teleporter pad on Timber Hearth and nothing happened. The next loop I went to Ash Twin and used the teleporters there, and it worked. The only thing I activated were the doors to open the rooms to those teleporters. Is that activating them in some way?

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Fear Ghoul:

OK, now I'm getting confused. I flew into Brittle Hollow, fired a scout at the teleporter pad (realizing this time how much easier it is to just stand on the bridge area below instead of the crazy stuff I did before trying to fly my ship and aim just right), and nothing happened. I went to the teleporter pad on Timber Hearth and nothing happened. The next loop I went to Ash Twin and used the teleporters there, and it worked. The only thing I activated were the doors to open the rooms to those teleporters. Is that activating them in some way?

The teleporters in the game are all 1-way basically, they teleport you from ash twin or from the white hole station to the receiver pads. This then activates the receiver pads to teleport back exactly once - you can get stuck in some awkward spots if you teleport your scout back when they're charged.

[Fear Ghoul]

Oh. Somehow I played through the entire game without realizing this.

[Mako Heero]

You're not supposed to land upside-down on the ceiling to access the forge, there was an easier way?!

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Mako Heero:

You're not supposed to land upside-down on the ceiling to access the forge, there was an easier way?!

It's where the Ash Twin to Brittle Hollow teleport tower leads. I'm more impressed anyone managed the landing on the ceiling, that's some far trickier flying than anything you have to do in the game.

[Lonecat]

Originally posted by Quillithe:

Originally posted by Mako Heero:

You're not supposed to land upside-down on the ceiling to access the forge, there was an easier way?!

It's where the Ash Twin to Brittle Hollow teleport tower leads. I'm more impressed anyone managed the landing on the ceiling, that's some far trickier flying than anything you have to do in the game.

It's OK with a controller. Still, it's trickier than any other flight manoeuvre you have to do, it's true... But you can more or less get to this point of the game in 1 min or so, so even if you blow up your ship it is not very important. The "real" difficulty is accessing the inside area and landing on the platform where the switch to activate the forge is, then starting the ship, going up and landing on the roof is quite easy. That means you can resolve the whole puzzle in about 2-3 mins perhaps.

The biggest risk is getting dragged into the black hole, at which point you probably want to "meditate" to restart the loop instantly.