[SPOILERS] Then, why The Eye is not observable?

[choongmyoung]

I thought The Eye isn't observable because of the uncertainty principle from the quantum mechanics, which states that (to simplify) you cannot specify the location of the body. The observatory at the Brittle Hollow, which finds numerable circles around the Sun to locate The Eye, supports this theory.

Then this DLC came to us. The story states that the persuers sealed The Eye's signals, and aside from the short peroid of time that the prisoner broke the seal, the signal is sealed ever after. However, if the seal was live at Nomai's era, why were the observatories show spinning search results of The Eye, rather than showing nothing?

So, why couldn't Nomai find The Eye? Is it the quantum nature of it, or the seal from persuers?

[Bobywan]

If would say the seal.
The Nomai only saw an old echo of the eye signal when the prisoner unock it for a while. And once they arrived they tried to find the signal again with the detectors on the attlerock and the red twin but they couldnt because it was gone.

[choongmyoung]

Originally posted by Bobywan:

If would say the seal.
The Nomai only saw an old echo of the eye signal when the prisoner unock it for a while. And once they arrived they tried to find the signal again with the detectors on the attlerock and the red twin but they couldnt because it was gone.

I still don't get it. If the seal worked, those observatories should not find The Eye at all. The observatories should say there's no such thing like The Eye. Not like "I found The Eye! It's here, no it's now here, no it's now there idk" something like that.

[darkscaryforest]

Originally posted by choongmyoung:

Originally posted by Bobywan:

If would say the seal.
The Nomai only saw an old echo of the eye signal when the prisoner unock it for a while. And once they arrived they tried to find the signal again with the detectors on the attlerock and the red twin but they couldnt because it was gone.

I still don't get it. If the seal worked, those observatories should not find The Eye at all. The observatories should say there's no such thing like The Eye. Not like "I found The Eye! It's here, no it's now here, no it's now there idk" something like that.

I wonder if there's just some retconning here. It feels like the intention in the base game was that they got the signal, showed up in the vicinity but then were unable to exactly pinpoint the location due to its quantum nature.

Now with the DLC, we are suddenly saying that there was a device that blocked the signal after the Nomai arrived making the probe necessary. Maybe this new story device just doesn't fit with the observatories behavior.

[Bahzur]

In the present time the seal is not working anymore. There is a control room (in the reservoir iirc) that shows an error message from the seal. I assume thats why the observatory gets the mixed signals now since the seal is broken, but not then.
Also, the quantum principle isn't quite like that, its that you cant specify the location of the body until you observe it, then the "waves collide" and the probability plummets to one.

[älcheminty]

I think the Eye has a fixed location, when you go there in the main Ending it doesn't move out of your sight when you look away like other quantum objects would.

[Bahzur]

Originally posted by MintyFresh:

I think the Eye has a fixed location, when you go there in the main Ending it doesn't move out of your sight when you look away like other quantum objects would.

You are right, it should actually move... I just had the idea that i may be the probe that hit the eye and fixated it to the coordinates you get in Giants Deep.

[choongmyoung]

Originally posted by Bahzur:

In the present time the seal is not working anymore. There is a control room (in the reservoir iirc) that shows an error message from the seal. I assume thats why the observatory gets the mixed signals now since the seal is broken, but not then.
Also, the quantum principle isn't quite like that, its that you cant specify the location of the body until you observe it, then the "waves collide" and the probability plummets to one.

Oh, you're right. Now I recall that connection error message. That would have imply the eventual failure of the seal. And you're also right about the principle. I stated it too concised.
Still thinking about this, but that's a good point. Did Nomai say their observatories "finds The Eye but could not specify the location" rather than "not working"? If not, I agree with your hypothesis. It just wasn't working then, and it works now.

[Mr. Beartato]

Originally posted by Bahzur:

In the present time the seal is not working anymore. There is a control room (in the reservoir iirc) that shows an error message from the seal. I assume thats why the observatory gets the mixed signals now since the seal is broken, but not then.
Also, the quantum principle isn't quite like that, its that you cant specify the location of the body until you observe it, then the "waves collide" and the probability plummets to one.

Isn't that message just that the connection has been broken? Seeing as they burned the controls.

[thundershield3]

Originally posted by Mr. Beartato:

Isn't that message just that the connection has been broken? Seeing as they burned the controls.

I think it is showing that the blocking device is actually offline, given the animation showing the "arms" being moving back and forth and unable to sync with each other.

[älcheminty]

I just checked the information on the Attlerock and I think it is implied that the eye is in a single location and that the reason the Nomai are unable to find it isn't due to it jumping around like a Quantum object, but is instead because the signal is emitted can't be found anymore.
I think this explanation makes more sense because of the fact that the Strangers Inhabitants were able to find the Eye with little trouble. If the Eye was difficult to find because it jumps around when you are not observing it then the Strangers would document how they had this issue.
The seal is the reason the eye is difficult to find, I don't think it jumps around. If you have the signal it isn't that difficult to find the eye.

[choongmyoung]

It seems like you can actually observe the sealing sattelite at The eye. Seems like it's not broken.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1620724042553438839/FD8C9E959DB032A96CED52FCE8CAA7AC8B5D2AB4/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Umm... then why are the observatories working (finds the eye but cannot specify the location) now?

[Winter]

Originally posted by choongmyoung:

It seems like you can actually observe the sealing sattelite at The eye. Seems like it's not broken.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1620724042553438839/FD8C9E959DB032A96CED52FCE8CAA7AC8B5D2AB4/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Umm... then why are the observatories working (finds the eye but cannot specify the location) now?

I wonder it was added in DLC or it was in the original?

[Tato]

Originally posted by scikit-learn:

Originally posted by choongmyoung:

It seems like you can actually observe the sealing sattelite at The eye. Seems like it's not broken.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1620724042553438839/FD8C9E959DB032A96CED52FCE8CAA7AC8B5D2AB4/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Umm... then why are the observatories working (finds the eye but cannot specify the location) now?

I wonder it was added in DLC or it was in the original?

Added in the DLC.

From what I understand, the blocker is working - else, the Nomai would have found the eye much earlier. They couldn't though, so they built the Ash Twin Project to brute-force the process by shooting a physical probe in random directions. That didn't end up working because the supernova they needed for the ATP couldn't be manually triggered via the sun station. It does work now though, as we are experiencing the last 22 minutes of the universe, where the sun does go supernova, thus supplying the ATP with the necessary power.

[lieutenantkirtar]

The blocker could be why the Nomai ended up in the Bramble when they tried warping to the Eye. They might have been hearing echoes that were coming out of the Bramble, like how you see duplicate signals from your probe. But they only saw the one signal since the blocker was stopping the actual Eye from sending out its signal.

[Bahzur]

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

The blocker could be why the Nomai ended up in the Bramble when they tried warping to the Eye. They might have been hearing echoes that were coming out of the Bramble, like how you see duplicate signals from your probe. But they only saw the one signal since the blocker was stopping the actual Eye from sending out its signal.

IIRC the Bramble only got timeywimey wibblywobbly because the Vessel landed in it, warped by the leaking warpcore? Or am I remembering that wrong?