"Quantum Imaging" loophole

[FullOfLife]

This is really dumb. You're telling me that nobody, NOBODY, has ever taken a picture of the quantum moon or any quantum shard? All that needs to exist is a single photograph of them anywhere and that quantum object cannot move.

This is an awful rule that ruins the integrity of the game for me. I know the game is unrealistic, but this is too much of a stretch. Photographs exist in this universe, not just temporary scout launcher ones. You see several on Timber Hearth.

[Gentleman Bird]

Even if someone took a picture, they need to be directly observing it to do the quantum mumbo jumbo

[Zorlond]

Hmm. What would occour if someone was standing on the Quantum Moon, as it orbited the Great Deep, and then someone looked at an old photo of the Quantum Moon as it orbited Timber Hearth..?

[Gentleman Bird]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Hmm. What would occour if someone was standing on the Quantum Moon, as it orbited the Great Deep, and then someone looked at an old photo of the Quantum Moon as it orbited Timber Hearth..?

Interesting question, since the game doesn't really go into what happens when you temporary cease observation of a quantum image.

Maybe the photograph of the Timber Hearth quantum moon ceases to be an accurate image of the moon once it leaves Timber Hearth, therefore it is no longer a quantum image. (keep in mind that the quantum moon changes form when it moves to a different planet)

[Nert]

Your conscious observation is what collapses the superposition, kind of like the opposite of object permanence, if you look away from the photo (and the quantum object is also not in view) for even a second, the observation ceases, even if you look back at the photo, too late, it's not locked to it anymore

I'm sure I've seen this managed in game, looking away from an image in the scout and back again to still have the photo, but the quantum object has moved and can keep moving

Imagine if this ended up being an actual job, overlapping shifts of "stare at this rock, do NOT look away for even a second or lives may be lost"

[Zloth]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

... and then someone looked at an old photo of the Quantum Moon as it orbited Timber Hearth..?

The image in the Timber Hearth photograph would be gone. If you take a photo of a moving rock, then put your scout gun away, look away so the rock moves, then look at your photograph - the rock will be missing from the picture. It seems that the bit of the picture depicting the rock has also gone quantum.

[Zorlond]

Actually, now that I think about it, the situation I described is already in the game.

Once you ride the Quantum Moon to the Sixth location, you find that you're not the only person there. And this guy was definitely not on the moon before. Assuming he doesn't randomly leave between your visit to Sixth, his presence should have prevented the Quantum Moon from going anywhere.

And yet, it did, without him. So it is simultaneously under his feet and orbiting Timber Hearth, and it is only by combined perception of location that allows the player to meet this guy.

Either that, or he's simultaneously alive and dead, and thus just as quantum as the moon...

[Mr Compassionate]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Actually, now that I think about it, the situation I described is already in the game.

Once you ride the Quantum Moon to the Sixth location, you find that you're not the only person there. And this guy was definitely not on the moon before. Assuming he doesn't randomly leave between your visit to Sixth, his presence should have prevented the Quantum Moon from going anywhere.

And yet, it did, without him. So it is simultaneously under his feet and orbiting Timber Hearth, and it is only by combined perception of location that allows the player to meet this guy.

Either that, or he's simultaneously alive and dead, and thus just as quantum as the moon...

I think the last thing is true. I don't know if it "counts" if the observer is dead and has been for some time. Begs the question, was the thing we talked to really conscious or just a kind of simulation of a conscious being and if it isn't conscious how come we can talk to it?

[YellowAfterlife]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Either that, or he's simultaneously alive and dead, and thus just as quantum as the moon...

The person on the sixth location specifically notes that they don't think they are entirely alive, which is fair, considering that few thousand years have passed since the unfortunate events and the Sun Station has a side note on their race not having reached immortality/amortality.

[Nert]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Actually, now that I think about it, the situation I described is already in the game.

Once you ride the Quantum Moon to the Sixth location, you find that you're not the only person there. And this guy was definitely not on the moon before. Assuming he doesn't randomly leave between your visit to Sixth, his presence should have prevented the Quantum Moon from going anywhere.

And yet, it did, without him. So it is simultaneously under his feet and orbiting Timber Hearth, and it is only by combined perception of location that allows the player to meet this guy.

Either that, or he's simultaneously alive and dead, and thus just as quantum as the moon...

She is very specifically both alive and dead, if you check every other location in the same spot, that is saddeningly made clear, and you can surmise she's become entangled permanently.. the same fate becomes you if you yank the warp core and go hang out on the 6th location too, beyond supernova time


Since it's actually in all places at the same time in 'reality' there's also the possibility that its collapsing is singular to you, that more than one person could perceive the moon in different places - though this breaks down when you factor in the fact the the moon locators exist..

[Zloth]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Either that, or he's simultaneously alive and dead, and thus just as quantum as the moon...

I'm not sure what genders are supposed to mean to those folks but he IS both alive and dead. He's always at the south pole no matter what planet its around but he's only alive around the Eye. He's doing ye'old Schrödinger's Cat thing.

[Zloth]

Originally posted by Nert:

Since it's actually in all places at the same time in 'reality' there's also the possibility that its collapsing is singular to you, that more than one person could perceive the moon in different places - though this breaks down when you factor in the fact the the moon locators exist..

Who says the locators show the same thing to everyone? ;)

One thing is for sure, this game can NOT work as co-op!

[Gentleman Bird]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Actually, now that I think about it, the situation I described is already in the game.

Once you ride the Quantum Moon to the Sixth location, you find that you're not the only person there. And this guy was definitely not on the moon before. Assuming he doesn't randomly leave between your visit to Sixth, his presence should have prevented the Quantum Moon from going anywhere.

And yet, it did, without him. So it is simultaneously under his feet and orbiting Timber Hearth, and it is only by combined perception of location that allows the player to meet this guy.

Either that, or he's simultaneously alive and dead, and thus just as quantum as the moon...

On Ember Twin, you learn that. Standing on a quantum object entangles you with the quantum object. Therefore, Solanum is entangled with the Quantum Moon. Furthermore, Solanum's corpse can be seen in every iteration of the quantum moon except for the Sixth Location. This is actually a Schrödinger's Cat scenario. In the first five possibilities, the quantum moon was within the blast radius of the Ghost Matter explosion, killing her. In the sixth possibility, the quantum moon was far enough away so that Solanum could survive.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Nert:

Your conscious observation is what collapses the superposition

This

[Dovahkiin Jones]

Originally posted by N0Lif3:

This is really dumb. You're telling me that nobody, NOBODY, has ever taken a picture of the quantum moon or any quantum shard? All that needs to exist is a single photograph of them anywhere and that quantum object cannot move.

This is an awful rule that ruins the integrity of the game for me. I know the game is unrealistic, but this is too much of a stretch. Photographs exist in this universe, not just temporary scout launcher ones. You see several on Timber Hearth.

Look dumbasss, The game states speciffically that OBSERVATION of a photograph will act as observation of the actual object, NOT THAT ANY PHOTOGRAPH IS THE SAME AS OBSERVATION!!! Next time before you write out an entire post, maybe read the material a little more closely.

[loganjamesalex]

sounds like OP needs a refresher on macroscopic quantum mechanics. just type those three words into google and look at the wikipedia page that comes up

EDIT: there is a reason your characters species has 4 eyes and is aquatic. The only time you ever blink is when you first wake up and that can make the quantum moon disappear/appear in the sky above while you blink. That means not only did they program it so that blinking counts as looking away from a quantum object, but since they did it on purpose it is intentional lore that your character never blinks outside that waking up sequence.