Glitch Dummies Are Breaking the Game

[Ripshaw_420]

I have played 60 something hours of this game so far, I have read posts in the forumns about glitching and how its ok, how it does not affect people that don't want to glitch, how people should be able to play the game however they wish. I have seen people down right slandered because they had a problem with the glitchers...

This glitch needs to go away and now. Being able to walk through doors and hide in solid objects, being able to hit the win button in the middle of the boss fight and force the whole team to win even before they have fought regardless of if they want to or not.... This is the only game breaking bug so far since launch.

I can handle loosing my attachments on a gun here and there, it sucks going into a nightmare match and showing up with a stock SMG but lets call it random hard mode, I can live with that. I can handle the fact that it forces you to break group to go back to the hub after a run, or the fact that when you group up with friends in a different lobby you can't voice chat until your in the match. I can even handle the multiplayer group hosting, it sucks when a host leaves mid match because he didn't get the red floppy and there is no arcade machine... but whatever I'll just make sure I host most matches and I'll play fair. I can even handle the duplicates.... being as how I have not glitched for attachments I have found the gear progression acceptable. I started in Veteran on advanced reload, it was a good challenge and felt cool... and I got some blue and purple attachments on a few guns as well as getting through all 5 maps and unlocking all the guns. I quickly realised that for master and nightmare modes, the game was designed to be played with Arizona Sunshine reload (in my opinion anyway). I then ran a whole crap load of master runs of all maps and was rewarded with mostly gold AR, SMG, Arizona Falcon, and Shotgun (a couple purple parts still). So far I have gotten plenty of duplicates but the game play is rewarding enough that I have enjoyed collecting what I have.

Over the last few weeks I have been running nightmare modes, mostly skid row, and when I land a group with four people that actually want to play... Nightmare is fun as hell. I have now completed 4 runs with no glitches and have not received a single red duplicate... Imagine that. I even got two purples that were not duplicates, not that I needed them. The reason I only have 4 completed runs? Not because it is to hard, or impossible, or glitchy, or whatever other excuse. Only four because every time I cue up at least one person is there to glitch. Even if I can convince this person to carry on without the glitch, we are instantly down a person that actually wants to be there, that actually knows how to do more than cheat. Most times they just leave as soon as you open the door though... then most times the group falls apart because we are down a man. I was in a group tonight that was actually doing good, we made it through the entire match with relative ease, in the apartments we found a red floppy yay... 30 seconds into the boss fight someone slides through the door and hits the win button, claims he was "protecting the red floppy". Maybe 1 out of every 15 cues I enter has four people that actually want to play.

This is absolutely broken... and the only thing that threatens to kill this game ahead of its time. You Glitching Dummies fail to realise that by running your stupid glitch you aren't even playing the game, your killing time and receiving a shiny red square at the end of your boring time kill. You get a fancy barrel or drum mag, maybe you shoot it at the targets in the armoury... You can't even appreciate the upgrade because you didn't even bother to learn how to fight with the gun in the first place. You get no real gratification from earning it, being as you just cheated for it lol. Now you have awesome guns yay lets go use them.... whats left to earn? duplicates? nothing left to do but shoot zombies for no reward... and you probably aren't even good enough to do master with your totally upgraded guns because you didn't earn them, Nightmare must just be impossible though, that is why you had to glitch after all. Guess all that"s left... is to run to the forums and whine about there being no content and the duplicates system being broken eh?

To make this worse, while the glitchers break the game for themselves... I can cue up and load into 5 nightmare matches back to back and every one of them has a glitcher. Wait for four people, load into the match... and they want to glitch. Argue with them? or just leave group? Back to the lobby, refit my SMG because it lost it's attachments going into the last run, and cue up again for what will most likely be another glitch run I'll just drop out of. Damn near impossible to just play the game... This is breaking the game for me, as well as discouraging players that actually enjoy the game from playing the harder difficulties. So as the glitchers glitch themselves into boredom and stop playing, and the people that can't find legit groups get bored and stop playing, who is left to reinvest in future content?

All that being said... I have enjoyed this game immensely so far. It is fast paced, with decent graphics, a decent feel to the movement and shooting, many different ways to enjoy the VR experience... and cross platform across pretty much all VR platforms, making it extremely easy to find groups (for master and below anyway). The upgrade system is cool and you feel the improvements as you get them, the difficulty jump between tiers is healthy and forces you to get faster, hone your play style, and earn upgrades for your guns to continue moving forward. This game forces you to work with team mates and communicate to survive in the harder difficulties, and is also a blast with three friends that have no VR experience on easier modes.

All in all, I say damn good job Vertigo. for 40 something bucks I don't feel ripped off at all. little glitchy, little light on content, but many games are going for much more money lately and this game is delivering a big package... maybe not in the form of a campaign or lots of maps, but the ground work is there for an amazing game with more modes, more guns, more zombies, and yes more maps and story, across all VR platforms, online, together. If all you cheaters would just stop glitching the game to death, the Developers could get some accurate feed back on the difficulty levels and loot RNG, fix some glitches, and get on with creating new content for those of us that want more than just a win button.

I wish I was more sorry about going on this rant but I'm not... Vertigo, Please fix this glitch asap, it's hurting your game.

Glitchers, try actually playing the game, learn how to loose without throwing a tantrum, and learn what feeling good for accomplishing something hard is. Stop killing the game for everyone to satisfy your instant gratification disease.

[Smotey]

They are patching this out. A developer said it's one of their priorities. We should expect a fix in the next update that addresses some if not all of this.

I haven't done any glitching after the first couple times the first couple weeks of the game so I have all the upgrades to look forward to earning. I'm hoping as Nightmare mode gets balanced out it's going to be a good time getting the goods.

Hit me up for a group at next patch!

[Taerlyn]

Stopped reading because there's so much but I agree it's the top issue. Glitching means it's impossible to do nightmare runs with pickup groups. It effectively locks all nightmare content from being accessible to me because the game doesn't feature a way to build parties with specific objectives (can't voice chat outside of the run, no flags to select objectives, etc) and it's so hard to get 3 friends on at the same time. Making content effectively inaccessible is worse than resetting guns, harvest, settings that don't save, wait times, graphical glitches, etc. It's not stupid, it's not frustrating or a nuisance, it effectively outright prevents play.

Second worst issue is the deal with floppies. That means it's a bad idea to run anything other than skid row or Chinatown, making half the missions just objectively worse to run, but still technically possible.

[Megalithik]

The glitch only really works the most on skid row and China town . Quarantine center and uniin tower the glitch doesn't really work . Yes u can glitch doors but the zombies don't insta die which is a key component on the glitch run working . I suppose tho if u lived to the boss fight u could door glitch to skip the boss fight that would still work

[76561199224339066]

This will be addressed in the next upcoming patch.

[VR|MASTER]

There are a lot of fixes necessary but one fix is very important. Disable the "win"-button at the end of a level until the boss has been killed. This way glitching through the last door has not the effect of an immediate win without a fight. This helps a lot.

Another point which could be discussed here in the forum is to completely reset the progress of all players and to restart the entire game. This should be done if it is ensured that glitching is impossible and other major issues which can be used to "cheat", as for example the "snowies die if they can not reached a player" are fixed. After that we will see who really deserves level 4 and 5 disks.

[ahv]

completely reset the progress of all players and to restart the entire game

Yeah, not gonna happen. Maybe reset only red floppy upgrades?

[Taerlyn]

Originally posted by ahv:

completely reset the progress of all players and to restart the entire game

Yeah, not gonna happen. Maybe reset only red floppy upgrades?

I don't see a reason to. If glitchers want to keep all the top-rank items so that they've "beaten" the game and feel no need to play it more, more power to them quitting the game. I don't think a penalty of removing those items really helps anyone. Especially not people who earned red floppies legitimately through rare Master drops or even rarer legit Nightmare runs, who would be very frustrated.

[Ripshaw_420]

Originally posted by Vertigo_TamTu:

This will be addressed in the next upcoming patch.

It's great to hear this will be addressed in an upcoming patch, I have also read in other posts that a whole heap of issues will be addressed. I am sorry to have to say this but... you dont need to address a bunch of issues in some future patch with no date, you need to emergency patch one issue YESTERDAY, the game is broken... I have to argue with people over voice chat just to play. It's called emergency patch

[Ripshaw_420]

again I say... Love the game, love arizona sunshine. I can not understate what I think your team has contributed to VR development over the years. But I think you underestimate how much this one glitch is killing your awesome game

[Smotey]

I don't think they can patch this issue without patching all 3 platforms simultaneously. Patches for Sony and Oculus have an approval process so they must be fairly, if not strictly, organized.

[VR|MASTER]

Originally posted by ahv:

completely reset the progress of all players and to restart the entire game

Yeah, not gonna happen. Maybe reset only red floppy upgrades?

+1

[76561199224339066]

Originally posted by Ripshaw_420:

Originally posted by Vertigo_TamTu:

This will be addressed in the next upcoming patch.

It's great to hear this will be addressed in an upcoming patch, I have also read in other posts that a whole heap of issues will be addressed. I am sorry to have to say this but... you dont need to address a bunch of issues in some future patch with no date, you need to emergency patch one issue YESTERDAY, the game is broken... I have to argue with people over voice chat just to play. It's called emergency patch

As mentioned by someone else, we have to abide by a certain patch/hotfix cadence for a cross-platform game like this to make sure everything stays on parity across all platforms. We are actively looking at ways to address more immediate concerns faster in the future, as we do understand the immediacy of this problem.

Once it's patched, we expect to see the amount of glitchers drop out significantly.

[Taerlyn]

Originally posted by Vertigo_TamTu:

Originally posted by Ripshaw_420:

It's great to hear this will be addressed in an upcoming patch, I have also read in other posts that a whole heap of issues will be addressed. I am sorry to have to say this but... you dont need to address a bunch of issues in some future patch with no date, you need to emergency patch one issue YESTERDAY, the game is broken... I have to argue with people over voice chat just to play. It's called emergency patch

As mentioned by someone else, we have to abide by a certain patch/hotfix cadence for a cross-platform game like this to make sure everything stays on parity across all platforms. We are actively looking at ways to address more immediate concerns faster in the future, as we do understand the immediacy of this problem.

Once it's patched, we expect to see the amount of glitchers drop out significantly.

Does that cadence mean we should generally expect any issues found during a patch release to take around 6 weeks to resolve? Just trying to set expectations.

[76561199224339066]

We're hoping to streamline this further and make this cadence shorter whenever possible.

[MotorMouse]

Originally posted by Ripshaw_420:

I have played 60 something hours of this game so far, I have read posts in the forumns about glitching and how its ok, how it does not affect people that don't want to glitch, how people should be able to play the game however they wish. I have seen people down right slandered because they had a problem with the glitchers...

This glitch needs to go away and now. Being able to walk through doors and hide in solid objects, being able to hit the win button in the middle of the boss fight and force the whole team to win even before they have fought regardless of if they want to or not.... This is the only game breaking bug so far since launch.

I can handle loosing my attachments on a gun here and there, it sucks going into a nightmare match and showing up with a stock SMG but lets call it random hard mode, I can live with that. I can handle the fact that it forces you to break group to go back to the hub after a run, or the fact that when you group up with friends in a different lobby you can't voice chat until your in the match. I can even handle the multiplayer group hosting, it sucks when a host leaves mid match because he didn't get the red floppy and there is no arcade machine... but whatever I'll just make sure I host most matches and I'll play fair. I can even handle the duplicates.... being as how I have not glitched for attachments I have found the gear progression acceptable. I started in Veteran on advanced reload, it was a good challenge and felt cool... and I got some blue and purple attachments on a few guns as well as getting through all 5 maps and unlocking all the guns. I quickly realised that for master and nightmare modes, the game was designed to be played with Arizona Sunshine reload (in my opinion anyway). I then ran a whole crap load of master runs of all maps and was rewarded with mostly gold AR, SMG, Arizona Falcon, and Shotgun (a couple purple parts still). So far I have gotten plenty of duplicates but the game play is rewarding enough that I have enjoyed collecting what I have.

Over the last few weeks I have been running nightmare modes, mostly skid row, and when I land a group with four people that actually want to play... Nightmare is fun as hell. I have now completed 4 runs with no glitches and have not received a single red duplicate... Imagine that. I even got two purples that were not duplicates, not that I needed them. The reason I only have 4 completed runs? Not because it is to hard, or impossible, or glitchy, or whatever other excuse. Only four because every time I cue up at least one person is there to glitch. Even if I can convince this person to carry on without the glitch, we are instantly down a person that actually wants to be there, that actually knows how to do more than cheat. Most times they just leave as soon as you open the door though... then most times the group falls apart because we are down a man. I was in a group tonight that was actually doing good, we made it through the entire match with relative ease, in the apartments we found a red floppy yay... 30 seconds into the boss fight someone slides through the door and hits the win button, claims he was "protecting the red floppy". Maybe 1 out of every 15 cues I enter has four people that actually want to play.

This is absolutely broken... and the only thing that threatens to kill this game ahead of its time. You Glitching Dummies fail to realise that by running your stupid glitch you aren't even playing the game, your killing time and receiving a shiny red square at the end of your boring time kill. You get a fancy barrel or drum mag, maybe you shoot it at the targets in the armoury... You can't even appreciate the upgrade because you didn't even bother to learn how to fight with the gun in the first place. You get no real gratification from earning it, being as you just cheated for it lol. Now you have awesome guns yay lets go use them.... whats left to earn? duplicates? nothing left to do but shoot zombies for no reward... and you probably aren't even good enough to do master with your totally upgraded guns because you didn't earn them, Nightmare must just be impossible though, that is why you had to glitch after all. Guess all that"s left... is to run to the forums and whine about there being no content and the duplicates system being broken eh?

To make this worse, while the glitchers break the game for themselves... I can cue up and load into 5 nightmare matches back to back and every one of them has a glitcher. Wait for four people, load into the match... and they want to glitch. Argue with them? or just leave group? Back to the lobby, refit my SMG because it lost it's attachments going into the last run, and cue up again for what will most likely be another glitch run I'll just drop out of. Damn near impossible to just play the game... This is breaking the game for me, as well as discouraging players that actually enjoy the game from playing the harder difficulties. So as the glitchers glitch themselves into boredom and stop playing, and the people that can't find legit groups get bored and stop playing, who is left to reinvest in future content?

All that being said... I have enjoyed this game immensely so far. It is fast paced, with decent graphics, a decent feel to the movement and shooting, many different ways to enjoy the VR experience... and cross platform across pretty much all VR platforms, making it extremely easy to find groups (for master and below anyway). The upgrade system is cool and you feel the improvements as you get them, the difficulty jump between tiers is healthy and forces you to get faster, hone your play style, and earn upgrades for your guns to continue moving forward. This game forces you to work with team mates and communicate to survive in the harder difficulties, and is also a blast with three friends that have no VR experience on easier modes.

All in all, I say damn good job Vertigo. for 40 something bucks I don't feel ripped off at all. little glitchy, little light on content, but many games are going for much more money lately and this game is delivering a big package... maybe not in the form of a campaign or lots of maps, but the ground work is there for an amazing game with more modes, more guns, more zombies, and yes more maps and story, across all VR platforms, online, together. If all you cheaters would just stop glitching the game to death, the Developers could get some accurate feed back on the difficulty levels and loot RNG, fix some glitches, and get on with creating new content for those of us that want more than just a win button.

I wish I was more sorry about going on this rant but I'm not... Vertigo, Please fix this glitch asap, it's hurting your game.

Glitchers, try actually playing the game, learn how to loose without throwing a tantrum, and learn what feeling good for accomplishing something hard is. Stop killing the game for everyone to satisfy your instant gratification disease.

they are supposed to be finixing this in the patch , but one thing they could do to prevent this is to make it so all 4 players depending how many people are in your group have to hit the button at the end in order for completion , but then again if all the party can glitch the doors this wouldnt matter :/