Flop of the year ?

[adam west]

i don't normally say bad things about games i don't like what I'm currently seeing and wait for release and stuff, but after the HDR fiasco from previous game,the completely unoptimized geothermal valley (that has no reason to be processing heavy) we have the new fiasco from RTX performance (wich i don't care, didn't look all that great and early adopters pave the way)

but now this demo :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNIS5C4t7E&lc=z22mg3qwrpnishhbk04t1aokgtfs4rlsykba2rwvizmprk0h00410.1535250187076478

look at the water "physics", she flies in the water (no hair dynamic as well) and when she dives she suddenly stops as if she was in jello (while i believe this to be the camera work at fault) still......original tomb raider from DOS did this better on the "huge" 3 mb demo at the time. this was almost 20 ago !

does anyone think they will fix this in a few weeks or that they would bring to games-con a demo that doesn't have basic interaction ? i guess RTX pressured on team made them prioritize it to release but, its not like this is a new thing !

even the fan made remake of tomb raider 2 demo does this better and the guy worked on it ALONE !

i was going to wait and see, but now im skipping this game completely specially if i don't hear she uses the pistols by the end and i mean USE it, not just get it, we already got them in the 2013 reboot.

PS: i hope the next game, if this one doesn't tank the franchise is made by someone else then CD , we need new ideas and in a new engine, the interactions on this engine feel to gamey mechanic,like you magnetic connect to things, i recommend anyone who never tried the classics to play the demo from the very first TR, after you get used to tank camera control, see how fluid lara interact with environments on leaps, grabs etc.

i'm tired of CD "fragile" lara, first it was all where is muh muuuuuuhhm,now its where is ma daaaaaad, you are an adult for crying out loud !
also stop explaining everything, the fun thing about the original TR is that we were given glimpses of lara backstory (because at the time game story telling didn't matter much, true) but because of this people filled in the gaps, so lara was different to everyone,full of theories were discussed online etc.
bring this back,make her backstory sprinkled through titles instead of trying to tell it all in a single game, background environmental story telling especially in a exploration game is great, just look at skyrim,dead souls and even the new god of war.

[mrsrachelm]

I have to agree with your points, sadly. The fact that they have YET to release any system requirements, have only VERY short vids of them game that are very fast-cut scenes and do not give us any kind of indication of the "meat" of the game but only keep sasying "Look, the game is pretty!" (when, in actuality the character models are not very well done), all give me tremendous pause. I'll not be pre-ordering because the lack of professionalism makes me wonder just how polished this game will actually be...especially on PC. I'll wait and see what happens to those who did buy it.

[adam west]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mrsrachelm:

I have to agree with your points, sadly. The fact that they have YET to release any system requirements, have only VERY short vids of them game that are very fast-cut scenes and do not give us any kind of indication of the "meat" of the game but only keep sasying "Look, the game is pretty!" (when, in actuality the character models are not very well done), all give me tremendous pause. I'll not be pre-ordering because the lack of professionalism makes me wonder just how polished this game will actually be...especially on PC. I'll wait and see what happens to those who did buy it.

i know a lot of people like to hate them, but i honestly think tomb raider franchise would be better off with ubisoft, their research and creative department really does their home work, just look at the assassin creed series, the division NY,ghost recon wildlands bolivia, and the far cry series that blends concept with real world places.

[Krythic]

Diposting pertama kali oleh adam west:

Diposting pertama kali oleh mrsrachelm:

I have to agree with your points, sadly. The fact that they have YET to release any system requirements, have only VERY short vids of them game that are very fast-cut scenes and do not give us any kind of indication of the "meat" of the game but only keep sasying "Look, the game is pretty!" (when, in actuality the character models are not very well done), all give me tremendous pause. I'll not be pre-ordering because the lack of professionalism makes me wonder just how polished this game will actually be...especially on PC. I'll wait and see what happens to those who did buy it.

i know a lot of people like to hate them, but i honestly think tomb raider franchise would be better off with ubisoft, their research and creative department really does their home work, just look at the assassin creed series, the division NY,ghost recon wildlands bolivia, and the far cry series that blends concept with real world places.

You know, I actually agree with you. I'm not really a fan of the Asscreed games as of late, because they've fundamentally lacked any real story or actual substance. But I really do think the same team could do wonders on the Tomb Raider franchise—assuming they brought on a better story writer(s).

[_Gustavo]

No

Next Question please...

[FaeVortex]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TriggerWarning:

Yeah, this series has done horribly.
Oh wait, the reboot thus far is sitting at around 15 million units sold, putting it right in-line with the original series, which was one of the most popular of the generation.

Hardly.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/07/steam-data-♥♥♥♥-reveals-precise-player-count-for-thousands-of-games/
https://steamspy.com/app/203160
https://steamspy.com/app/391220

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70429/tomb-raider-2013/?region=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70428/tomb-raider-2013/?region=All

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/84683/rise-of-the-tomb-raider/?region=All
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/82907/rise-of-the-tomb-raider/?region=All

Also you idiots keep forgetting about the multiple re-releases, and steam releases, for Core's games which drastically inflate the total amount some of the older games have sold. Not just the "7 million for Tomb Raider 1" which is the amount it sold initially and that's it, for example.
But please, continue talking about how nuRaider is actually doing okay. BTW the movie flopped so not even movie goers are intersted in nuRaider. ;^)

[miKi]

New tomb raider wasn’t like the old one. Vik is no Angelina Jolie but the movie still ended up in the top 50 top grossing movies of 2018 and also got the rank for 9th best video game adaptation movie ever made. The movie didn’t flop, it just wasn’t a huge hit. With a 24 million dollar opening weekend it was received okay.

[miKi]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Pillow_:

New tomb raider wasn’t like the old one. Vik is no Angelina Jolie but the movie still ended up in the top 50 top grossing movies of 2018 and also got the rank for 9th best video game adaptation movie ever made. The movie didn’t flop, it just wasn’t a huge hit. With a 24 million dollar opening weekend it was received okay.

Since you're a data guy, can you show me how the movie Tomb Raider 2001 and 2018 performed side by side in box office, sales and reviews... You got me curious. (sorry to op for this off topic)

Yeah 2018 did 1 Million less in the box office. Which is fine, I prefer Angelina Jolie as Lara and I liked tomb raider and cradle of filth better than 2018 Lara. But it still wasn’t a “flop” it just wasn’t a big hit. It still did well, personally to me it was literally nothing special. If Angelina Jolie was casted it would have been better and probably would have sold more. A lot of people were pissed it wasn’t Jolie. Me included. I still saw the movie though. I like Tomb Raider, it was an average action flick, some parts were funny. The comedy unfortunately didn’t come from Lara. It came from Walton Goggins(he’s actually a pretty good actor, not really the role for him though)

So if you didn’t like the new TR movie. I can agree with you on that, it wasn’t really my thing. However I still went to see it and what I saw was someone who just didn’t fit to be Lara Croft I guess, but the movie wasn’t sloppily put together

[[CTU]Jack_Bauer]

Looking forward to the game fan of the original game and sequals, and i liked this reboot of the series as well.

[miKi]

I share the same sentiment ^

[FaeVortex]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Pillow_:

New tomb raider wasn’t like the old one. Vik is no Angelina Jolie but the movie still ended up in the top 50 top grossing movies of 2018 and also got the rank for 9th best video game adaptation movie ever made. The movie didn’t flop, it just wasn’t a huge hit. With a 24 million dollar opening weekend it was received okay.

That's factually incorrect.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=dcfilm0318.htm
Budget was 94 million, plus 30 million for adverising (general rule of thumb is that total budget is base cost + 1/3 that amount for marketing). It only made back roughly HALF that amount domestically. That is literally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bomb.
>b-but it's one of the top grossing movies of 2018!
That's like bragging that someone made it to the top of the special ed class. It's pretty easy to do when no one was seeing a lot of movies in 2018 in the first place, you don't see a lot of competition.
>B-BUT MUH REVIEWWSSSSSSS
So? Critics are there to give their opinions, and the box office numbers speak a lot louder. People were simply not interested in the movie.

[Michel Michel (aka Teen-H)]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nica's Personal "Assistant":

Diposting pertama kali oleh Pillow_:

New tomb raider wasn’t like the old one. Vik is no Angelina Jolie but the movie still ended up in the top 50 top grossing movies of 2018 and also got the rank for 9th best video game adaptation movie ever made. The movie didn’t flop, it just wasn’t a huge hit. With a 24 million dollar opening weekend it was received okay.

That's factually incorrect.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=dcfilm0318.htm
Budget was 94 million, plus 30 million for adverising (general rule of thumb is that total budget is base cost + 1/3 that amount for marketing). It only made back roughly HALF that amount domestically. That is literally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bomb.
>b-but it's one of the top grossing movies of 2018!
That's like bragging that someone made it to the top of the special ed class. It's pretty easy to do when no one was seeing a lot of movies in 2018 in the first place, you don't see a lot of competition.
>B-BUT MUH REVIEWWSSSSSSS
So? Critics are there to give their opinions, and the box office numbers speak a lot louder. People were simply not interested in the movie.

Old and new fan agree the movie is crap. I didn't even go see it. When the person you choose for the role of Lara Croft is a swedish midget, then you automatically put yourself in a position that is not ideal. I didn't see it and probably never will.

But this has nothing to do with the game series. The movies with Angelina jolie were crap, the new movie is crap, not a single one movie adpated from a video game has been great. Let's move on.

[15543641354361]

the movie is crap and it made only 57 millions $ in the USA and Canada together.

old movies with angelina were not either top of the art i must say. clother to a B movie than award movie. but angelina was in it, so it add value.

i think sotr will sell like rotr, maybe less, but that's just a feeling. so no flop but not a success either.
unless there is something huge and incredible in the game that we are not aware yet ... in other words, a miracle.

[[CTU]Jack_Bauer]

The movie did bad because they made it all about Alicia Vikander not Lara Croft and it was all we heard in the different trailers she was a beast she trained she bla bla, we get it female empowerment and the hollyweird bla, but the movie is about this character and a lot of what we saw in the movie was also in some form or another in the game, a version of her first hard kill in the first Tomb raider reboot, and how she became more and more fearless and grew into the role of the iconic Tomb raider we saw in the first games of the original series.

I hope this third game brings that old school Lara with an attitude and her old kickass no fear badass to the forefront.

[miKi]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Nica's Personal "Assistant":

Diposting pertama kali oleh Pillow_:

New tomb raider wasn’t like the old one. Vik is no Angelina Jolie but the movie still ended up in the top 50 top grossing movies of 2018 and also got the rank for 9th best video game adaptation movie ever made. The movie didn’t flop, it just wasn’t a huge hit. With a 24 million dollar opening weekend it was received okay.

That's factually incorrect.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=dcfilm0318.htm
Budget was 94 million, plus 30 million for adverising (general rule of thumb is that total budget is base cost + 1/3 that amount for marketing). It only made back roughly HALF that amount domestically. That is literally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bomb.
>b-but it's one of the top grossing movies of 2018!
That's like bragging that someone made it to the top of the special ed class. It's pretty easy to do when no one was seeing a lot of movies in 2018 in the first place, you don't see a lot of competition.
>B-BUT MUH REVIEWWSSSSSSS
So? Critics are there to give their opinions, and the box office numbers speak a lot louder. People were simply not interested in the movie.

Talking about box office gross. Not what they made at the end of the day. The budget was 94 ish million dollars, much like the first budget in 2001. Nobody cares about critic reviews anymore. You can still enjoy a movie that’s objectively bad. I literally did not even say I really liked the movie that much, but it wasn’t rushed. I liked the old ones more anyways. There was plenty of completion though with all the marvel ♥♥♥♥, the 2 most anticipated horror movies since the conjuring and the meg which was a summer box office hit. It didn’t do that bad. Keep in mind I never said it made a killing at all, but it definitely didn’t 100% flop. A flop is a massive failure. This was not a massive failure

[miKi]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AC:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Pillow_:

...

thanks for that info.
You're starting to sound more like an actual fan and less like a stan.
A fan is like a friend, sometimes you have to say NO to developers.
A stan will buy whatever they release without any critical thinking.
Be a fan Pillow.

Truly I don’t see any other person playing Lara Croft other than Angelina Jolie because that’s what the character she was basically born to play. Everything about Lara completely mirrors her. Also I kind of like Jolie’s accent for Lara, it sounded almost a little Australian too if that made any sense. But yeah definitely I liked Jolie leagues better. She just portrayed Lara better. Granted it didn’t stop me from seeing the new one because we haven’t had a new tomb raider movie in years, so I decided to give it the benefit of the doubt. While it didn’t completely look like a failure to me it just wasn’t the Lara Croft I remembered in Jolie’s interpretation.

Overall people can say the old movies were garbage and that’s fine, I enjoyed both the first and the cradle of life so oh well