Altina's design in this game.......

[Oguzhan]

Ok first off this is only about her design (by that I mean outfit) and not character since I haven't played the game yet ( waiting for summer) and I can't really judge her without getting to know her.

Also just like the title says its only about her design in THIS game. In third from what I have seen she seem to have an amazing design that is fitting of an old falcom trails games.

I also know about the "children" incident (that is not its actualy name but lets go with it) and falcom probably wants to make weird designs for any character related to it in any shape or form.

......OK, here's the thing, wanting something weird is ONE thing, this is ANOTHER. They were clearly going for something fanservicy here for a character with the body of a child and I find it disturbing. And YES I know its Japan but our earlier little girl characters had normal (or kinda weird in Tio's case) designs and were pretty popular while without being fanservicy. They did the same thing with Millium but somehow that one didn't really bother me this much.( and there was a funny joke with her using it as a swimming suit)

I get that they are going for anime cliches in this game because their main target audience is japan and right now (to my knowledge) stuff like this and persona are really popular and the thing is I am not really bothered with stuff like the mechs and whatnot but come on this one is just too offensive imo.

Anyway kinda had to get it out of my chest. What are your opinions on this matter? Lets not get wild and be respectful. I can't wait to play this game btw, really hyped for it.

[That's ich!]

i don't find it that offensive, but

Originally posted by oguz.gungor96:

I get that they are going for anime cliches in this game because their main target audience is japan and right now (to my knowledge) stuff like this and persona are really popular and the thing is I am not really bothered with stuff like the mechs and whatnot but come on this one is just too offensive imo.

you just summed in one sentence why CS is so lacking when compared to other Trails

[Oguzhan]

Originally posted by That's ich!:

i don't find it that offensive, but

Originally posted by oguz.gungor96:

I get that they are going for anime cliches in this game because their main target audience is japan and right now (to my knowledge) stuff like this and persona are really popular and the thing is I am not really bothered with stuff like the mechs and whatnot but come on this one is just too offensive imo.

you just summed in one sentence why CS is so lacking when compared to other Trails

Well it might be me being a little hasty since I saw the design before playing the game, that and I saw the S-Craft pose on the internet which is really......well....lets not get into it.

Also yeah not gonna lie compared to Sky games and zero no kiseki CS games kinda lack. I do think they are still great though, if not for anything the well designed gameplay. (battle system , convinient trails designs for the players etc etc..)

[ZWabbit]

Barely noticed Altina's outfit. If the transparent bits were somehow intended as fanservice, the tech was not up to the task of actually rendering at a resolution to make it evident enough to notice without actually paying attention.

[That's ich!]

Originally posted by oguz.gungor96:

if not for anything the well designed gameplay. (battle system , convinient trails designs for the players etc etc..)

The gameplay is lacking too when compared to Sky, especially sky 3rd :/

♥♥♥♥ orbment System, 0 difficulty, everyone having AT-delay, etc..

[Ellipsis]

Originally posted by That's ich!:

The gameplay is lacking too when compared to Sky, especially sky 3rd :/

♥♥♥♥ orbment System, 0 difficulty, everyone having AT-delay, etc..

Sky the 3rd set such a high bar for gameplay that it's probably just really hard for them to recreate, especially since the new mechanics they've added are game-breaking on a fundamental level. Imagine how easy 3rd would be if we had stuff like Overdrive and MQs like Moebius or Angel. Even the Loewe + Cassius fight on NG nightmare would be a pushover.

Changing the orbment system is my biggest gripe, though. Mixing and matching quartz for different arts let you get really creative with setups, whereas lines hardly even matter in CS.

On the topic at hand, Altina's outfit really isn't that bad. Honestly, Fie's outfit is a lot more revealing than hers. It's really not noticeable unless you pay close attention, in my opinion.

[Oguzhan]

I don't know guys , after seeing that S-Craft art which is what her design really looks like and with that pose it is clear to me that they were going "that" route with her. Again though this is only in the second since in the 3rd she has a really nice design that is cute and cool at the same time. Not to mention she might have a nice character in the game so I am not gonna judge her just from her outfit.

[Cold_Reverie]

I don't personally like her design in this game (although I do in the 3rd game), but I feel there is a story reason for her wearing the outfit she does that makes me not mind it so much.

I'm hesitant to say much regarding the CS games compared to Sky since that is not the point of the thread, but I will say that it is pretty unfair to compare an Arc that is only at its build-up games to a fully completed Arc and say that it is somehow inferior. A fairer comparison would be CS I and II to only FC.

[That's ich!]

Originally posted by Cold_Steel_III:

A fairer comparison would be CS I and II to only FC.

CS1 + CS2 together are heavily inferior to FC. FC achived in 50 hours what both of them couldn't in 200

[Cold_Reverie]

Originally posted by That's ich!:

CS1 + CS2 together are heavily inferior to FC. FC achived in 50 hours what both of them couldn't in 200

Let's agree to disagree for now. I don't want to derail the thread anymore than it has been already.

[Gin-chan]

With the amount of VN I've played and anime I've watched Altina's is honestly not that bad. Plus it gets toned down quite a bit from little of what I saw of her from Cs 3.

[Oguzhan]

Oh yeah, like I also said her design in 3rd is pretty amazing , infact I love it. It is simple ,cute and not sexy (at least not in the way that her CS2 design is).

Also yes I do know about the "reasoning" behind her weird outfit. Its just I think they could have toned it down a little bit. Because there is a certain line that says "symbolism" and just plain fanservice. I also want to stress that even in cold steel games we still have cool designs that don't rely on sexuality trope whether it is from a returning character or not. For example who can forget the amazing Lance Maiden.

[Ellipsis]

I'd argue that Altina's not really sexualized in CS2 at all, despite what her outfit may imply to some. As I've stated before, Fie's outfit is quite a bit more revealing - and I haven't heard any complaints about her design "relying on a sexuality trope."

There's only one scene in the game (that I can remember) that would relate to sexuality regarding Altina, which is when she mistakenly assumes Rean was staring at her for less-than-noble reasons when he stumbles upon her sleeping on the Pantagruel, and nearly sics Claiomh Solaris on him for it.

The S-Craft art isn't as bad as it's being made out to be, either. The only questionable thing about it to me is the way her legs are posed, which is still tame in comparison to a LOT of other depictions of similar characters in Japanese games. Her design in CS3 is definitely a big improvement, though - I will definitely agree with you on that one.

[randyorlando]

she doesn't mistakenly assume anything, she says as much to rean. she was just "joking around" apparently

[Ellipsis]

Originally posted by iceclaw1000:

she doesn't mistakenly assume anything, she says as much to rean. she was just "joking around" apparently

Ah, right, completely forgot about that. Good catch.

[Radene]

Originally posted by iceclaw1000:

she doesn't mistakenly assume anything, she says as much to rean. she was just "joking around" apparently

It's hard to imagine someone coldly calculating as her to be "joking around", though.