who is more powerful?

[Dagoth Jo]

mcburn or loewe

[Macros]

Originally posted by Dagoth Jo:

idk the plot can give and take away power in a instant so there is no absolutes

Not entirely true. While there are some fluctuations, and sometimes rather improbable characters turn out to be secretely totally super strong, I swear guys! (frickin' Rufus...), there is an attempt at some sort of hierarchy of power. It's often inconsistent, but it's there. And on that hierarchy, the narrative clearly places McBrun somewhere near the top, while Loewe is "just" a strong Enforcer.

Plus, hey, you were the one to launch a debate about power levels, you can't go back and say "meh it's all relative" now! I mean, of course the plot will have an influence on any fight's issue, but in a vacuum, the matchup you suggested is clearly one-sided.

[Dagoth Jo]

Originally posted by Macros:

Originally posted by Dagoth Jo:

idk the plot can give and take away power in a instant so there is no absolutes

Not entirely true. While there are some fluctuations, and sometimes rather improbable characters turn out to be secretely totally super strong, I swear guys! (frickin' Rufus...), there is an attempt at some sort of hierarchy of power. It's often inconsistent, but it's there. And on that hierarchy, the narrative clearly places McBrun somewhere near the top, while Loewe is "just" a strong Enforcer.

Plus, hey, you were the one to launch a debate about power levels, you can't go back and say "meh it's all relative" now! I mean, of course the plot will have an influence on any fight's issue, but in a vacuum, the matchup you suggested is clearly one-sided.

oh i agree mcburn is stronger but there were arguments about other people and i was just thinking about in the third game how you fight cassius and beat him with four of your guys so four of your guys from the third game should technically be able to beat most people in the whole series

[Dagoth Jo]

i dont believe duvalie could beat loewe though lol

[Macros]

Originally posted by Dagoth Jo:

i dont believe duvalie could beat loewe though lol

And yet she apparently did. And had at least one year of extra training since then. So yeah, that's a thing.

[Broso]

Originally posted by Macros:

Originally posted by Dagoth Jo:

i dont believe duvalie could beat loewe though lol

And yet she apparently did. And had at least one year of extra training since then. So yeah, that's a thing.

She did yes, 1 out of 100 times as she stated herself.

[Macros]

Originally posted by Virsalus:

Originally posted by Macros:

And yet she apparently did. And had at least one year of extra training since then. So yeah, that's a thing.

She did yes, 1 out of 100 times as she stated herself.

Indeed, but assuming that one time came near the end - or even if as it's possible, if it was the last match of the series, well. It's more significant than it might seem.

[Broso]

Originally posted by Macros:

Originally posted by Virsalus:

She did yes, 1 out of 100 times as she stated herself.

Indeed, but assuming that one time came near the end - or even if as it's possible, if it was the last match of the series, well. It's more significant than it might seem.

It could be more significant. However purely statistically evaluated from this known sample of battles, the relative frequency alone suggests that she is still far inferior to him

[Dagoth Jo]

Originally posted by Virsalus:

Originally posted by Macros:

And yet she apparently did. And had at least one year of extra training since then. So yeah, that's a thing.

She did yes, 1 out of 100 times as she stated herself.

she has a 1% win rate against loewe

[zen]

Per the word of Falcom, McBurn is in the same ballpark as the other two most powerful characters we know of -- the Steel Maiden, and Ein Selnate. Loewe is lower tier than those three.

[Melk]

Originally posted by Dagoth Jo:

Originally posted by Macros:

Pretty sure McBurn is supposed to be several times more dangerous than Loewe. He seems to be roughly on par with one of the Divine Blades, while Loewe was stated to basically have no hope of winning against the likes of Cassius.

what about cassius and mcburn

There aint much point in throwing Cassius into a 1v1 fight with anyone since his biggest quality is his tactical mind.

[Radene]

Originally posted by Melk:

Originally posted by Dagoth Jo:

what about cassius and mcburn

There aint much point in throwing Cassius into a 1v1 fight with anyone since his biggest quality is his tactical mind.

Well he ain't a pushover 1v1 either, but yeah, he's gonna be a lot more awesome when he's coordinating operations.

[Atlanter]

Originally posted by Virsalus:

Originally posted by Macros:

And yet she apparently did. And had at least one year of extra training since then. So yeah, that's a thing.

She did yes, 1 out of 100 times as she stated herself.

Maybe Loewe was ill or he let her win without her recognising that.

I´m only halfway through the game and haven´t seen all McBurns powers, but I´m assuming McBurn will not be beaten in a 1 on 4 battle in the second game (CS2) unlike Loewe in the Second Chapter

[Radene]

Originally posted by Atlanter:

Originally posted by Virsalus:

She did yes, 1 out of 100 times as she stated herself.

Maybe Loewe was ill or he let her win without her recognising that.

Doesn't seem the type to let anyone win out of pity.

[Ellipsis]

Originally posted by Atlanter:

Maybe Loewe was ill or he let her win without her recognising that.

I´m only halfway through the game and haven´t seen all McBurns powers, but I´m assuming McBurn will not be beaten in a 1 on 4 battle in the second game (CS2) unlike Loewe in the Second Chapter

(Sky SC spoilers) Loewe didn't really lose, though. He just shook it off and said "alright good job but you guys are gonna have to try a lot harder." The only reason he "lost" is because Joshua won their duel by exploiting the one thing Loewe was most emotional about in order to ruin his concentration...and by that point, he had no intention of fighting them anymore.

[Vladislak]

Originally posted by Macros:

Originally posted by Sugoi:

I mean given that Victor gave him a run for his money and Cassius is supposed to be somewhat stronger than Victor, this seems kind of obvious.

Do we know that? My impression was that they were considered roughly equals.

Toshihiro Kondo (president of Falcom) said that Cassius is stronger than Arios Maclaine and Leonhardt combined. Considering the fact that he's also said Arios Maclaine and Victor are roughly equal I'd say Cassius is stronger than Victor.

That is, of course, assuming he's using a sword and not his staff since we know for a fact that he's much weaker with his staff.

I'd argue he could potentially beat Mcburn with a sword, but he's abandoned the way of the sword. With a staff it would be an interesting fight, but Cassius would probably need to use his tactical mind in order to actually come out on top.